2022 Offseason Thread

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The Raps best lineups this year were with Siakam at the 5 and Barnes at the 4. I don't think they want to pay 40 M a year to put one of them on the bench, nor would they want to run the clogged toilet offense with all three out on the floor. Raps also have needs for a wing and guard off the bench; they should not spend the whole offseason solely focused on a center.

Celtics are fine with Timelord and Theis. There are a lot more productive things they can do with Horford's expiring.

Maybe Charlotte if Utah is willing to take some serious salary back. I just don't think Utah is interested in solely dumping him. As such, it's probably more likely that they trade Mitchell.

Dallas might be kind of interesting. It's certainly better than running Bertans out at the 5.

[ojandpizza]

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Oh Celtics 100% shouldn’t change. Just the way they play in general I don’t even think that’s a fit for them even if they were relying on Horford and didn’t have Time Lord. If they had Gobert this past series their game-plan 100% wouldn’t work.

With Toronto I was thinking more along the lines of Barnes-Siakam-Gobert like when they won a ring with Kawhi-Siakam-Gasol.. I realize they’ve been more versatile and playing small the past couple years, but I’m not sure missing the playoffs entirely and a first round exit are strong indicators that a change in that wouldn’t be welcomed. They were shopping for bigs at the deadline too. If Siakam at the 5 is a solid strategy they can always go to that when their big sits. It’s also in theory a much better fit against Joel and Giannis in a playoff series. The “wall” strategy they implemented in 2019 was beautiful and Pop-esque, Gasol was instrumental in that.

For Dallas I was thinking they need to pay Brunson at all costs. Luka has always been more of a 3/4 defensively for them who plays “point” anyways. After adding Dinwiddie and Bullock that makes THJ’s contract expendable. If they could move that with picks or whatever to upgrade that center spot I think it’s a great fit for them. Brunson, Luka, Bullock, DFS, Gobert, 6th man Dinwiddie. They can still use Kleber and Bertans the way they have been this year and the past couple of years (Kleber).

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think Gobert could be a huge boost in the right situation.

That obviously is no longer Utah, but plenty of other teams get by with playing bigs that would also in theory be getting played off the floor playing the way Utah plays too. Bucks started Lopez, Lakers trotted out McGee/Howard, Toronto started big Marc, that's the last 3 championships starting a big that could just as easily get stuck on a island like Gobert if in his shoes and the way Utah plays.

I'd definitely still trade for him. Don't love his contract but that applies to 10 or so guys every off-season anyways.

Gobert holds up pretty well on switches. He’s nowhere near the liability that a lot of other big men are.

I think Robert Williams has shown enough that you’d probably rather have him at his cap number going forwards though.


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[ggsimmonds]

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Oh Celtics 100% shouldn’t change. Just the way they play in general I don’t even think that’s a fit for them even if they were relying on Horford and didn’t have Time Lord. If they had Gobert this past series their game-plan 100% wouldn’t work.

With Toronto I was thinking more along the lines of Barnes-Siakam-Gobert like when they won a ring with Kawhi-Siakam-Gasol.. I realize they’ve been more versatile and playing small the past couple years, but I’m not sure missing the playoffs entirely and a first round exit are strong indicators that a change in that wouldn’t be welcomed. They were shopping for bigs at the deadline too. If Siakam at the 5 is a solid strategy they can always go to that when their big sits. It’s also in theory a much better fit against Joel and Giannis in a playoff series. The “wall” strategy they implemented in 2019 was beautiful and Pop-esque, Gasol was instrumental in that.

For Dallas I was thinking they need to pay Brunson at all costs. Luka has always been more of a 3/4 defensively for them who plays “point” anyways. After adding Dinwiddie and Bullock that makes THJ’s contract expendable. If they could move that with picks or whatever to upgrade that center spot I think it’s a great fit for them. Brunson, Luka, Bullock, DFS, Gobert, 6th man Dinwiddie. They can still use Kleber and Bertans the way they have been this year and the past couple of years (Kleber).

I'd agree with that if that new big man was more like a rotational matchup guy. The kind of guy you can sit when matchups favor it and not have to deal with media and fans asking why one of your best players wasn't on the floor. Gasol was that kind of guy. Gobert with his contract maybe not so much. With Gobert it again comes to value per dollar.

Dallas would be an intriguing fit for him, buut I don't know how the financials would work out in a trade.

[King_B_Mack]

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Bro there’s no way this is true. No way in hell. Cause that’s some next level incompetence. So the front office who ultimately has to be the ones to pick up the phone and say yes to the deal is blaming the players? The employees? Look it’s fine for us as fans to crack LeGM jokes and speculate what’s going on behind the scenes with teams, but you can’t be the actual damn front office doing that **** lol


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[georgiafan]

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Eventually some team is going to have to be the 1st to just tell these star players no. It's hard to know the details of the behind the scene stuff. However in LA, Brooklyn and the past Harden teams it's clear they atleast to some degree call the shots. Mostly not scaring about the future trading draft picks and handing out bad contracts.

It seems like LA may have finally said no on including the 2027 1st to move off Westbrook at the deadline.

[cima]

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Doubt this story is true TBH. Klutch wanted Caruso to stay, Klutch wanted Lue, didn’t they want Lowry too? But sure blame them for Westbrook.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Doubt this story is true TBH. Klutch wanted Caruso to stay, Klutch wanted Lue, didn’t they want Lowry too? But sure blame them for Westbrook.


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Didn't LeBron, Westbrook and Anthony Davis meet at LeBron's house 2 weeks before the trade went down to discuss playing together? Hard to make a case that they didn't want him.

[ojandpizza]

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I mean there is obviously a lot of truth to that. It was no secret that Bron and AD thought they could figure it would with Russ and make it all work. That just didn't happen for multiple reasons. There were reported meetings between the 3 (though supposedly that happened with other players too) so to say there wasn't any pressure from Bron, AD, Klutch to make that move I feel like wouldn't be accurate.

With that said ultimately his job to make trades, he calls the team, makes the trade, it's his ultimate decision. Like cima said, if we are to believe all the LeGM stuff that gets reports they went against a lot of other things Bron and whoever pushed for. If they were so against the Westbrook move that they wanted no part in it I believe they wouldn't have done it. They seem to be more so pointing fingers now after the backlash.. And all these articles are claiming they are internally blaming "Klutch Sports", I'm sorry but if you're a GM taking orders from an agent to the point that you can flat out blame them for roster moves then you don't need to be GM anymore.

Supposedly Dennis was out basically because AD didn't like playing with him. They then tried getting him again at the deadline (with AD sidelined).. I'm sure Rob gets input from all directions, teams don't not go to their stars with this stuff, but if he's playing the game of listening to Bron, then AD, then Klutch, then Rambis, and then Jeanie telling him they are going to be frugal.. Like that's just too much going on. And the Klutch aspect was deeper than Russ. The players traded were Klutch guys as well, if pressure was coming from Klutch them going to a location he thought those guys could get more spotlight/money was going to play a role too because that effects Rich Paul's money. If the alternative was his guys going to Sacramento I'm sure that played a role for him even if it wasn't Russ on the other end.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Peak time for front offices to start scapegoating coaches and players.

[ggsimmonds]

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I don't think there is any doubt or dispute that LeBron and AD pushed for acquiring RWB but like King said, the front office can't blame the players for the moves the front office made. Thats some amateur hour crap. Its a circus over there. They trying to make a run at being the most dysfunctional team in the league or something?

[The 24th Letter]

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Didn’t Haynes and Shelbourne report that Bron & Co. originally wanted Derozan, but the FO wouldn’t give him a 3 year deal?

[ProfessaPackMan]

2022 Offseason Thread

Peak time for front offices to start scapegoating coaches and players.

In other words, welcome to Silly Season 2022.

[cima]

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Didn't LeBron, Westbrook and Anthony Davis meet at LeBron's house 2 weeks before the trade went down to discuss playing together? Hard to make a case that they didn't want him.

I'm not disputing they did or didn't want him, I'm disputing the report itself that the FO is actually blaming their employees (LeBron and ADO) instead of themselves for acquiring Westbrook.

That'd be like me hiring a new trainer that one of my existing trainer's used to work with that swore he'd be really good here despite some question marks on his resume and then I blame my trainer for this new guy being a total **** show rather than taking responsibility myself for hiring him in the first place. I ultimately made the decision to hire him so it's on me and me alone.

But then again, this is the Lakers FO we are talking about so maybe it is believable they would blame their players instead of themselves.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times(King, is he reliable to y’all locals?) is reporting that Zach LaVine will undergo knee surgery in the offseason, which has been an issue for much of the season.

I imagine this could have some(slight)impact on a new contract with the Bulls as far as money/years go.