If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

[OneDrop]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Grapple Advantage isn't working.

Its not good for this game and doesn't represent MMA realistically.

I mean look at all the baby punches Daniel Cormier landed on anderson silva the other weekend, by this games logic he should have been able to transition to full guard no problem and KO Anderson with 3 punches.

Yes, finally someone noticed it too. It's making the ground game soooo boring and is in no way an actual presentation of real life grappling. I don't see people actually working for anything while grappling in this game. It's just baby punch a few times, deny, advance. So boring. Sometimes I even let people out from full mount even tho I could destroy them because I feel like I didn't have to work for the finish, at all.

[trainbyday1]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Yes, finally someone noticed it too. It's making the ground game soooo boring and is in no way an actual presentation of real life grappling. I don't see people actually working for anything while grappling in this game. It's just baby punch a few times, deny, advance. So boring. Sometimes I even let people out from full mount even tho I could destroy them because I feel like I didn't have to work for the finish, at all.

Are you mostly playing quick match and what is your record in ranked if you don’t mind me asking? You better hope you never face Dave. He will destroy you on the ground. Against lower level guys you can afford to let them out of full mount but I doubt you are destroying anyone decent. Decent player are hard to control on the ground.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Are you mostly playing quick match and what is your record in ranked if you don’t mind me asking? You better hope you never face Dave. He will destroy you on the ground. Against lower level guys you can afford to let them out of full mount but I doubt you are destroying anyone decent. Decent player are hard to control on the ground.

Who is Dave?

[kehlis]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Haz, no disrespect bro, but you always make some really awsome points, you point out the issues spot on and you say the truth and say it just how i feel, but then you ruin it and miss my upvote, with all those dumb things you come up with as solutions.

Just stick to pointing bad stuff out, your solutions are really some of the worst i've seen here, but your analysis are pretty much spot on all the time.

This solution your recommend in this thread, is not as bad as your solutions on other topics, but it just reminded me something i've wanted to point out for a long time now.

Bolded are both unnecessary and blatant trolling.

You can have a discussion as to why you feel the way you do about it but blatantly making those statements without any reason to back your thoughts up is something that is not allowed on OS.

[trainbyday1]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Who is Dave?

Are you kidding? Dave S. He is the king of quick match.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Are you kidding? Dave S. He is the king of quick match.

Oh yes Dave, I've fought him but we always went toe 2 toe

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[trainbyday1]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Oh yes Dave, I've fought him but we always went toe 2 toe

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Morgan I know you from the EA UFC forums. You have some major skills no doubt about it. I was talking about OneDrop who said he lets people out of mount because he is so good on the ground. Pretty sure those guys he is beating are not great. I have noticed people often critique the game using average players as their frame of reference. IMO to be credible people should be testing their theories against the best players in ranked. That is why I take people like you, Big CEE and Zhunter seriously when I read your feedback.

Things that work in quick match will not work against decent players in ranked. For example I never fake transition or use GA for take downs in quick match and I still dominate everyone I face there but the same is not true for ranked.

[manliest_Man]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Bolded are both unnecessary and blatant trolling.

You can have a discussion as to why you feel the way you do about it but blatantly making those statements without any reason to back your thoughts up is something that is not allowed on OS.

I apologize if my opinion came out as trolling or inflamatory, it wasn't intended to troll or anything like that, i was being honest, i find his analysis spot on, but his solutions are in my opinion terrible and i almost never agree with them.

I felt it needed to be said, because those comments feel as if sometimes get the upvotes for his spot on analysis, that is always sadly on par with a poorly thought (in my opinion) solution and i just hope that people responsible for the developement of the game who visit this forum, look at those comments with a grain of salt, because it seems that people who support and upvote those issues pointing out comments , mainly do it for the analysis and not the solution.

All in all, what i wanted to say, is that his analysis are great and describe the issues pretty much spot on, but his solutions feel poorly thought out and forced into those type of comments.
All i wanted to say, is that he doesn't have to put a quick and poorly thought out solution, each time he describes a problem. It feels as if he is forcing himself to always have some sort of solution with his analysis, to avoid people calling him out for being a complainer or smth like that.

P.S. I forgot to add, i might also be mistaking Haz with a different user, due to the red profile picture of his being simillar to someone else's, but that is mainly an issue i noticed on this forum multiple times, pretty much, a lot of people can identify the problem, but their solutions feel forced and poorly thought out and feel that they are checking a list or smth, because perhaps it's a forum rule that says "you can't complain about something unless you provide a solution for it" or something like that i am not aware of.

In lieu of what i found to be another spot on analysis, with a forced, quickly thought out, solution, i just felt the need of pointing it out, but i admit it could have been the wrong user and it could perhaps be an epidemic of the forum.

[OneDrop]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Are you mostly playing quick match and what is your record in ranked if you don’t mind me asking? You better hope you never face Dave. He will destroy you on the ground. Against lower level guys you can afford to let them out of full mount but I doubt you are destroying anyone decent. Decent player are hard to control on the ground.

91-9 in ranked. I'm not even a ground fighter so I don't know what you're getting at. By destroy I meant when they have no stamina because I denied them once and I can easily posture up in mount and wreck them. I didn't mean I destroy people in general on the ground as I'm mainly a technical striker.

Morgan I know you from the EA UFC forums. You have some major skills no doubt about it. I was talking about OneDrop who said he lets people out of mount because he is so good on the ground. Pretty sure those guys he is beating are not great. I have noticed people often critique the game using average players as their frame of reference. IMO to be credible people should be testing their theories against the best players in ranked. That is why I take people like you, Big CEE and Zhunter seriously when I read your feedback.

Things that work in quick match will not work against decent players in ranked. For example I never fake transition or use GA for take downs in quick match and I still dominate everyone I face there but the same is not true for ranked.

Lmao I'm sorry I'm not one of your idols. Doesn't mean I can't have valuable feedback. I never said I was "so good" on the ground. I said the grond game is boring and GA is an unrealistic concept. Also, I spar with someone who'd be top 50 if he had the time to actually play hundreds of games. I never play quick match unless I actually face my boy.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

91-9 in ranked. I'm not even a ground fighter so I don't know what you're getting at. By destroy I meant when they have no stamina because I denied them once and I can easily posture up in mount and wreck them. I didn't mean I destroy people in general on the ground as I'm mainly a technical striker.



Lmao I'm sorry I'm not one of your idols. Doesn't mean I can't have valuable feedback. I never said I was "so good" on the ground. I said the grond game is boring and GA is an unrealistic concept. Also, I spar with someone who'd be top 50 if he had the time to actually play hundreds of games. I never play quick match unless I actually face my boy.

Easy now guys, i think he just recognised my name because i have been on these forums for years is all.

I think GA could potentially work, it should not be based off landing baby strikes to your opp though.

[Haz____]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

@ manliest_Man

No disrespect taken! I'm just a dude with an opinion, so it's all good man. Besides, nothing wrong with constrictive criticism. You didn't seem to be coming off malicious to me.

Obviously i'm going to have to disagree though! If I do post any sort of suggested solution, it's always going to be 100% based in reality. That may effect balance when concerning a competitive fighting game, but realism is that the very top of the list of what's important to me.

For example here, Using sways to build up a grapple advantage, for unstoppable takedowns is insanely unrealistic, and reflects no real aspect of MMA. -- In real life takedowns are all about timing. In real life if an opponent commits his weight to a strike, he's vunerable to a takedown. Whether that means your slipping under a hook and shooting a takedown, or shooting a takedown while the opponent has 1 leg off the ground. These are the type of solutions I want to see implemented. Solutions that reflect reality, and not video gamey-arcadey-mechanics


Either way, I'll try to tighten up my suggestions. And no worries man, I didn't feel offended at all.


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*edit* Also I picked this avatar because it didn't look like a sports team at all(Is it a sports team??), and no one else had anything like it. Hmm

[Evil97]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

In my opinion, and in a video game: I think balance 1st, realism 2nd. That being said, I also think this game has made huge leaps in both departments, and even brought the two aspects closer together. I'm sure they will move even farther in a direction that will make takedowns more realistic....and even more balanced competitively.

[norml]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Just make TD and Clinch denials the same as denials on the ground and in the clinch. The ability to input the denial pre-emptively is a problem. If you try to deny a TD early it should be just like miss timing a ground denial. Your controller vibrates, you start to lose stamina, and you can't deny.

If you are in a strike animation, no ability to deny. If you are in a recovery animation the denial window is cut in half.

The ability to pre-deny needs to go.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Just make TD and Clinch denials the same as denials on the ground and in the clinch. The ability to input the denial pre-emptively is a problem. If you try to deny a TD early it should be just like miss timing a ground denial. Your controller vibrates, you start to lose stamina, and you can't deny.

If you are in a strike animation, no ability to deny. If you are in a recovery animation the denial window is cut in half.

The ability to pre-deny needs to go.

That would definitely make TD's op lol.

Lots of strikers assume a low stance to defend sm takedowns so they are all preemptively blocking anyways.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: If you commit to a strike you shouldn't be able to stuff a TD

Right now guys can just lean backwards, gain GA and then get a takedown, most of the time when they first Leaname back it seems to make their stomach invulnerable, I don't know how many times my stomach kicks/punches just mysteriously wiff when they lean back.