Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[ZB9]

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As response to the bolded part, the powers may have wanted the two conferences to merge, but Texas only wanted themselves in.

Texas alone tried to leave without anyone else; don't know where you got this Tech stuff from as Tech was certainly not part of the early rounds of Texas trying to get out on their own. The other conferences said no without a second team, which is where A&M came in, and the legislature started trying to keep them together from then on. I'm not sure how what everyone else decides makes Texas looks better. They were out for themselves. Like I said, you can't blame them completely because the conference was going to die, but don't you think there is a reason why any time someone mentioned Arkansas to the Big 12 last year and recently that anyone that knew anything about the past laughed it off and wondered what the person was thinking? Sure, you can't blame Texas for playing the money game well. They got 11 other teams to agree to accept them but it would cost them more; Arkansas is smart enough to not fall for that and hopefully where ever the Longhorns wind up next, they aren't babied so much. I kind of kid when I say Texas will go independent because it only makes sense in the very short term, especially with superconferences as Notre Dame will probably be involved with one of those, but if Texas winds up in another period of mediocrity (I'll laugh if you say they were a great team in the late 80's/90's)... guess we'll just have to see what happens.

Arkansas is the team that left without anyone else (but of course that was all UT's fault right, just like everything else lol) and they were the first team to leave.

Texas was not going to go anywhere without at least TAMU. For you to assert otherwise shows that you are ill informed on this topic.

When it comes to revenue sharing, as far as your assertion of Texas forcing all 11 teams to go along with it is BS. Nebraska was the most successful program when the Big 12 was formed and were ironically the biggest proponent of that revenue sharing, TAMU was a proponent of it as well. It certainly wasnt just Texas pushing for it. That is absurd. If Nebraska and TAMU would have run their programs better in the 2000s, they probably would have won more games and therefore made more money.

and why in the blue hell would I say Texas had a great team in the late 80s/90s? That was the worst era in Texas football.

[DonkeyJote]

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Arkansas is the team that left without anyone else (but of course that was all UT's fault right, just like everything else lol) and they were the first team to leave.

Texas was not going to go anywhere without at least TAMU. For you to assert otherwise shows that you are ill informed on this topic.

When it comes to revenue sharing, as far as your assertion of Texas forcing all 11 teams to go along with it is BS. Nebraska was the most successful program when the Big 12 was formed and were ironically the biggest proponent of that revenue sharing, TAMU was a proponent of it as well. It certainly wasnt just Texas pushing for it. That is absurd. If Nebraska and TAMU would have run their programs better in the 2000s, they probably would have won more games and therefore made more money.

and why in the blue hell would I say Texas had a great team in the late 80s/90s? That was the worst era in Texas football.

The old revenue sharing model isn't the problem. It's the new model that Texas forced down their throats so they can have the privilege of being minions to the Almighty Texas. The revenue structure was changed with Nebraska and Colorado leaving. Nebraska was more upset with the amount of influence Texas had, and how the conference was becoming more and more focused on the state of Texas, including the Championship Game being moved to Dallas. Colorado left because their principle rival was gone, the conference was in trouble, and they felt they fit in better with the Pac 12, and would likely make significantly more money with a new Pac 12 tv deal (and they will).

A&M is looking into leaving because of this new, very unbalanced revenue structure. The Big XII talks about conference loyalty, while Texas goes into business for itself with the Longhorn Network, which makes a possible future conference network a non-starter, because no one is going to start a Big XII network without the top team. Texas uses their very presence to blackmail other schools. Oklahoma/OSU have other options - so they get treated a little better. But Texas treats the other schools like garbage, because they'd have murky futures without Texas.

[Bondgirl0072]

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Deadline coming for A&M-SEC decision?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/category/_/name/texas-tech-red-raiders-101

[acts238shaun]

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Well, I think it is safe to say that Miami won't be the 14th team when A&M finally comes on over.

[Perfect Zero]

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What? Every major college football program is trying to make money for themselves within the rules that the NCAA sets. The programs arent giving all of their money to the NCAA

The USA is a capitalist country. "Entities" like ESPN and Fox are capitalist companies that are the main players in controlling college football. If you dont think that major college football is big business and that UT isnt the only program trying to make money then you are delusional.

I dont understand your point at all.

Within the rules of the NCAA, and the rules of the conferences, and within other guidelines. This is not a capitalist system. Thanks for bolding that for me.

[ZB9]

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Within the rules of the NCAA, and the rules of the conferences, and within other guidelines. This is not a capitalist system. Thanks for bolding that for me.

the NCAA within the rules and guidelines of the USA

the programs and conferences and networks are making a crapload of money...do you understand what capitalism entails

[ZB9]

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The old revenue sharing model isn't the problem. It's the new model that Texas forced down their throats so they can have the privilege of being minions to the Almighty Texas. The revenue structure was changed with Nebraska and Colorado leaving. Nebraska was more upset with the amount of influence Texas had, and how the conference was becoming more and more focused on the state of Texas, including the Championship Game being moved to Dallas. Colorado left because their principle rival was gone, the conference was in trouble, and they felt they fit in better with the Pac 12, and would likely make significantly more money with a new Pac 12 tv deal (and they will).

A&M is looking into leaving because of this new, very unbalanced revenue structure. The Big XII talks about conference loyalty, while Texas goes into business for itself with the Longhorn Network, which makes a possible future conference network a non-starter, because no one is going to start a Big XII network without the top team. Texas uses their very presence to blackmail other schools. Oklahoma/OSU have other options - so they get treated a little better. But Texas treats the other schools like garbage, because they'd have murky futures without Texas.

That doesnt make sense because the new model is actually more even than the previous one. Just two months ago the BigXII agreed to increase the portion of the contract that was split equally bringing everything much closer to equal revenue sharing. (76% split equally, it was 56 percent before, and the remaining 24% split based on number of games on tv, etc) With that new arrangement there will likely be much less of a difference between top and bottom teams and all will receive a minimum of about $17mil

As short as 3 years ago almost all conferences had unequal revenue. I was reading recently that in 2009, the Big 10 was the only conference that shared revenue equally...and that was only after they got a big new tv contract that paid big bucks (and had the Big10 network starting up). They were getting $14mil per school.

At the time the SEC got about $10mil per school but did not split it evenly until they signed their new agreement at $17mil/school. The same year (2009) the BigXII had a $103mil contract which averages 8.6mil per school. Texas got the highest share at $10mil, not that much more than the average btw. AnM got $9.2mil that year.

Regarding the Longhorn Network, the ironic thing is that Texas would not have had the opportunity of that network at the time if Mizzou hadn't threatened to leave and Nebraska and Colorado wouldnt have left. Texas wasn't trying to go anywhere until those programs bolted. They are probably thanking the Huskers lol

Another rather ironic factoid, is that when those two teams left, they had to pay substantial financial penalties to the conference. Well the greedy Texas gave back all of that money, so did 0U, while TAMU kept every dime of it. There are ironies all over the place that dont match up with many folks' perception of this situation.

and yes, you are right, Colorado left mainly because they will make more money in the Pac 12

[Perfect Zero]

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the NCAA within the rules and guidelines of the USA

the programs and conferences and networks are making a crapload of money...do you understand what capitalism entails

The Soviet Union used to make a ton of money selling off military equipment and other systems to other nations; were they a capitalist society? I understand that in a capitalist system, entities are able to compete on an open market in order to increase profit on their goods and services. While these universities are trying to make as much money as possible, the problem is that they are involved in cartel like structures under an umbrella organization. It's more of an expanded oligopoly than capitalism.

BTW, I think the topic is A&M going to the SEC, not why Texas is scott-free of destroying the Big XII...

[ZB9]

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The Soviet Union used to make a ton of money selling off military equipment and other systems to other nations; were they a capitalist society? I understand that in a capitalist system, entities are able to compete on an open market in order to increase profit on their goods and services. While these universities are trying to make as much money as possible, the problem is that they are involved in cartel like structures under an umbrella organization.

lol wow talk about a reach...comparing it to the USSR would only make sense if the programs and networks were having to give a majority of the money they make to the NCAA or to the govt. The players might feel like serfs to the programs, but that is a different topic.

I hear ya on the cartel like structure, but my point is that all of these major programs are trying to make as much money as they can for themselves and are competing against each other on the field and off to do so..to single out Texas for having more cache and being better at the crazy game of big business in major college athletics is quite absurd considering that they are all trying to make money. Texas isnt operating outside of the rules.

like has been said..Colorado left mainly to make more money. Nebraska left mainly to make more money. Arky left mainly to make more money. TAMU wants to make more money. Texas has made more money than everyone, but they arent going to apologize for it when every program is trying to do the same thing. Again, Texas isnt breaking any of the rules that have been set.

It's more of an expanded oligopoly than capitalism.

lol "expanded" quite a bit

my main point with capitalism was all of these SEC folks and Aggys looking down on someone trying to make money and calling for "wealth redistribution" all of a sudden. We all know how much southern folks love their "wealth redistribution"..It's just very ironic to me and i love ironies

BTW, I think the topic is A&M going to the SEC, not why Texas is scott-free of destroying the Big XII...

It's obviously connected

What's really funny is the whole Nebraska situation. In 1996, they were the biggest proponents of the revenue system that the Big 12 utilized. After the Huskers run their program like crap in the 2000s, and get repeatedly owned by UT on the field and off, the Huskers grow to hate UT and the revenue system that the Huskers were original proponents of.

The Aggys have a better case than Nebraska does. There was no LHN when Nebraska left. Texas wasnt trying to go anywhere until those teams left. The ironic thing is if Nebraska wouldn't have left for the big 10, Texas wouldn't have had the opportunity open for the Longhorn Network. Im sure they are saying thanks Huskers

[crayzman]

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Texas wouldn't have had the opportunity open for the Longhorn Network. Im sure they are saying thanks Huskers

Now to find someone to actually carry the Longhorn Network. lol

[lonewolf371]

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Well, I think it is safe to say that Miami won't be the 14th team when A&M finally comes on over.

According to Shapiro the SEC is a lot worse than Miami.

[ZB9]

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Now to find someone to actually carry the Longhorn Network. lol

my cable company is launching it on Aug 26 supposedly

but ya it seems to have been a somewhat difficult and drawn out negotiation with the cable companies and idk how many will have it the first year

[TheGamingChef]

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That doesnt make sense because the new model is actually more even than the previous one. Just two months ago the BigXII agreed to increase the portion of the contract that was split equally bringing everything much closer to equal revenue sharing. (76% split equally, it was 56 percent before, and the remaining 24% split based on number of games on tv, etc) With that new arrangement there will likely be much less of a difference between top and bottom teams and all will receive a minimum of about $17mil

This is not exactly true. The 76% number is only true with the Tier 2 television rights. As UT and OU spend much more time on Tier 1 stations than any other Big XII schools, they likely stand to benefit from this just as much as schools that don't appear on Tier 2 as often, like Iowa State and Kansas. This percentage increase hurt the middle/upper Big XII programs, like Okie State, A&M, and Mizzou, to help those at the bottom as well as the top.

[SoonerCrazy25]

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Goodbye A&M you can have them....just like the Cornhuskers,they cant win the Big 12 so they bolt............seriously lol.

[Bamafan3723]

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Goodbye A&M you can have them....just like the Cornhuskers,they cant win the Big 12 so they bolt............seriously lol.

Is it an accomplishment to win the Big 12 (10)?