Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[DonkeyJote]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

You can say this as much as you want but it doesn't make it any more true. Iowa State is clearly an attractive option for the Big East and this was proven as such last summer when a standing offer was on the table for not only ISU but KU/KSU/Mizzou as well.

*215,000+ living graduates
*29,000 students
*Roughly 50,000 average football attendance
*14,000+ seat basketball arena filled near capacity
*AAU membership
*New market of 3 million potential TV viewers
*An athletic budget that would rank roughly average compared to current Big East members

If you don't see the attractiveness of this university, the Big East should consider itself lucky you aren't running it.

I get that ISU is far from an ideal candidate especially for a conference like the Big Ten, but to dismiss them from consideration in the Big East couldn't be more idiotic.

Iowa St. would be an average Big East team in terms of all those things. That'd be great if they brought something to the table. But the Des Moines-Ames tv market is the 71st ranked tv market (and according to Nielsen has about 432,000 tv homes). St. Louis is 21st (1.25 million homes) and Kansas City is 31st (937,000 homes), and those are the markets Missouri/Kansas/K-State would bring in. TCU brings in Dallas, #5 (2.5 million homes). K-State, Kansas, and Missouri also bring the conference to 12 for football (20 for basketball) - to bring in Iowa St, they'd also have to go get a 14th team. Iowa St. would be an average Big East team in terms of the numbers you gave, and below average in football (they haven't won more than 7 games in 10 seasons), and below average in basketball (they've made the tournament twice in 10 years). Iowa St. isn't a bad school, but they aren't going to the Big East - the other schools we talk about have something to overcome the distance, but ISU doesn't.

[TheGamingChef]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Iowa St. would be an average Big East team in terms of all those things. That'd be great if they brought something to the table. But the Des Moines-Ames tv market is the 71st ranked tv market (and according to Nielsen has about 432,000 tv homes). St. Louis is 21st (1.25 million homes) and Kansas City is 31st (937,000 homes), and those are the markets Missouri/Kansas/K-State would bring in. TCU brings in Dallas, #5 (2.5 million homes). K-State, Kansas, and Missouri also bring the conference to 12 for football (20 for basketball) - to bring in Iowa St, they'd also have to go get a 14th team. Iowa St. would be an average Big East team in terms of the numbers you gave, and below average in football (they haven't won more than 7 games in 10 seasons), and below average in basketball (they've made the tournament twice in 10 years). Iowa St. isn't a bad school, but they aren't going to the Big East - the other schools we talk about have something to overcome the distance, but ISU doesn't.

You ignore the fact that they have already been invited. If you think the Big East would only expand to 12 when other conferences are going 14/16/18... there's no way. Worst case for ISU is the Big East and anything other than that is just factually wrong.

Also K-State brings nothing that KU doesn't. ISU would certainly be more valuable to any conference than KSU assuming KU is already in. The only issue is that KU may try to bring KSU along with them. This point is largely moot anyway as the Big East would add all of the Big XII leftovers plus more.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

You ignore the fact that they have already been invited. If you think the Big East would only expand to 12 when other conferences are going 14/16/18... there's no way. Worst case for ISU is the Big East and anything other than that is just factually wrong.

Also K-State brings nothing that KU doesn't. ISU would certainly be more valuable to any conference than KSU assuming KU is already in. The only issue is that KU may try to bring KSU along with them. This point is largely moot anyway as the Big East would add all of the Big XII leftovers plus more.

K-State has had more success in both Football and Basketball. And are very closely tied to Kansas.

Iowa St. was invited last summer. Before TCU was added. I think their invite is done. I don't think the Big East would go over 12 right away. I don't think anyone is going over 12 just to get bigger. The SEC is adding a solid program in A&M - I don't think they go to 14 unless VaTech and FSU both say yes. Those are quality programs. The Pac 12 isn't going to add unless it's Oklahoma or Texas. Same with the Big 12 (add Notre Dame to that list). The Big East isn't going to get huge just to add Iowa St and Baylor. If they're going to move past 12, it's going to be to add a team that adds something significantly.

I honestly don't get what the appeal of 16 teams in a conference is, unless they are very good teams. How is adding Iowa St. and Baylor going to help the Big East compete with the SEC or ACC more than staying at 12 teams? Getting to 12 could be important, especially since the Big East will likely be getting a new tv deal soon and a Big East Championship game could be huge for that deal. But I don't see the reasoning of going past 12 unless you can add a great program.

[TDenverFan]

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You ignore the fact that they have already been invited. If you think the Big East would only expand to 12 when other conferences are going 14/16/18... there's no way. Worst case for ISU is the Big East and anything other than that is just factually wrong.

Also K-State brings nothing that KU doesn't. ISU would certainly be more valuable to any conference than KSU assuming KU is already in. The only issue is that KU may try to bring KSU along with them. This point is largely moot anyway as the Big East would add all of the Big XII leftovers plus more.

I think the MWC is pretty likely too... A team like ISU would be a good gain for them, whereas it would be nothing special (No offense) to the Big East.

And K-State makes the Tourney and Bowl games more often then Iowa State

[Td1984]

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My Prediction:

A&M to the SEC(duh)

Oklahoma and OK St. leave for the left coast or OK to the SEC

Kansas, Kansas St, Mizzou to the Big East

Big East basketball schools break away due to the fact that the football schools are not going to want to split any TV money evenly.

I think it'll be similar to this. Except that Mizzou becomes one of the 4 the B1G takes on to get to 16 (along with ND, Pitt and Rutgers or 'Cuse). The Big East might try to take on the Big XII refugees, but that conference is too big already, so the non-football members kick out the ones who do play football. So the Big XII refugees get taken in by the Mountain West (who'll have AQ status). The SEC raids the ACC for 3 schools to get to 16 and the former members of the Big East join the ACC and get to 16 (my explanation might be better served as a blog post).

[Perfect Zero]

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You can skip this if you don't want to hear more rambling about conference movement (I talk at length about saving the Big XII)...

Spoiler

I was thinking, if say Texas, Oklahoma, and their minions Texas Tech and Oklahoma State moved to the PAC, and say Missouri joined Texas A&M in the SEC, you would have four teams out in the cold: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State.

Now, say that the Big XII is just the Big IV with an automatic qualifier. Why would these four teams not use that as a bargaining chip. Use this as the moment to capture market share in all of the sports. If you had these four, you could add these teams...

Memphis- Close location to the other teams, great basketball potential with a good football stadium.
Tulsa- Rising football program that opens Oklahoma up. TV money may not be there yet, but if I remember correctly, Oklahoma is a state on the grow.
Texas- San Antonio- OK, it may not be the sexy pickup, but it's in a big metropolitan area and it's starting its football program. I think teams like Iowa State and Kansas would welcome them.
Air Force- Service academy with a national following. A bit small following, but still there.
Colorado State- Serves well with Air Force, and opens up the Denver market.
Brigham Young- Adds the Salt Lake market and provides a key to the west for the conference. Good football, good basketball.
Utah State- Adds nothing but a closer rival for the western teams to play. That cuts down on flight costs.
Boise State- The big win in the end of the expansion. The move to the west would mean that BSU would have a chance for a BCS bowl, and it could be a ratings boon.

If you wanted to go to 16 teams...

Nevada- Good football team with a decent sized football and basketball arena. Possibly opens some of Northern California
Nevada- Las Vegas- Las Vegas is always a fun market, and it keeps some sort of rivalry with their brothers in Reno.
Texas- Arlington/North Texas/ Southern Methodist- Homer pick? Perhaps, but I think another team in the DFW area would help open up the Dallas market even more. This would be contingent on UTA getting a football team, but it is a growing university. North Texas has a new stadium, and Southern Methodist has the tradition. Pick one.
New Mexico- Albuquerque has a strong market, and New Mexico has good facilities.

Then you would have divisional splits such as...

12 Team
East
Iowa State
Kansas
Baylor
Memphis
Tulsa
Kansas State

West
Texas- San Antonio
Air Force
Colorado State
Brigham Young
Utah State
Boise State

16 Team
East
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis

South
Baylor
Tulsa
Texas- San Antonio
Texas- Arlington/North Texas/Southern Methodist

West
Air Force
Colorado State
Utah State
New Mexico

North
Brigham Young
Boise State
Nevada
Nevada- Las Vegas

Have the championship at the team with the best record's stadium, winner either goes to the Fiesta Bowl or the National Championship. Neat little idea that I had. Again, I'd hate to see Texas kill the Big XII, but this is something that would keep it going if it kept its automatic qualifier.

[TDenverFan]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

You can skip this if you don't want to hear more rambling about conference movement (I talk at length about saving the Big XII)...

Spoiler

I was thinking, if say Texas, Oklahoma, and their minions Texas Tech and Oklahoma State moved to the PAC, and say Missouri joined Texas A&M in the SEC, you would have four teams out in the cold: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State.

Now, say that the Big XII is just the Big IV with an automatic qualifier. Why would these four teams not use that as a bargaining chip. Use this as the moment to capture market share in all of the sports. If you had these four, you could add these teams...

Memphis- Close location to the other teams, great basketball potential with a good football stadium.
Tulsa- Rising football program that opens Oklahoma up. TV money may not be there yet, but if I remember correctly, Oklahoma is a state on the grow.
Texas- San Antonio- OK, it may not be the sexy pickup, but it's in a big metropolitan area and it's starting its football program. I think teams like Iowa State and Kansas would welcome them.
Air Force- Service academy with a national following. A bit small following, but still there.
Colorado State- Serves well with Air Force, and opens up the Denver market.
Brigham Young- Adds the Salt Lake market and provides a key to the west for the conference. Good football, good basketball.
Utah State- Adds nothing but a closer rival for the western teams to play. That cuts down on flight costs.
Boise State- The big win in the end of the expansion. The move to the west would mean that BSU would have a chance for a BCS bowl, and it could be a ratings boon.

If you wanted to go to 16 teams...

Nevada- Good football team with a decent sized football and basketball arena. Possibly opens some of Northern California
Nevada- Las Vegas- Las Vegas is always a fun market, and it keeps some sort of rivalry with their brothers in Reno.
Texas- Arlington/North Texas/ Southern Methodist- Homer pick? Perhaps, but I think another team in the DFW area would help open up the Dallas market even more. This would be contingent on UTA getting a football team, but it is a growing university. North Texas has a new stadium, and Southern Methodist has the tradition. Pick one.
New Mexico- Albuquerque has a strong market, and New Mexico has good facilities.

Then you would have divisional splits such as...

12 Team
East
Iowa State
Kansas
Baylor
Memphis
Tulsa
Kansas State

West
Texas- San Antonio
Air Force
Colorado State
Brigham Young
Utah State
Boise State

16 Team
East
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis

South
Baylor
Tulsa
Texas- San Antonio
Texas- Arlington/North Texas/Southern Methodist

West
Air Force
Colorado State
Utah State
New Mexico

North
Brigham Young
Boise State
Nevada
Nevada- Las Vegas

Have the championship at the team with the best record's stadium, winner either goes to the Fiesta Bowl or the National Championship. Neat little idea that I had. Again, I'd hate to see Texas kill the Big XII, but this is something that would keep it going if it kept its automatic qualifier.

That conference really isn't that strong... Memphis? UTSA? CState? UNLV? USU? North Texas? UT Arlington (Who doesn't even have a football team)? New Mexico? Sorry, they don't belong in an AQ

[Perfect Zero]

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That conference really isn't that strong... Memphis? UTSA? CState? UNLV? USU? North Texas? UT Arlington (Who doesn't even have a football team)? New Mexico? Sorry, they don't belong in an AQ

It's obvious that you just glossed over it. Maybe you should re-read what I said.

[superjames1992]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

It's obvious that you just glossed over it. Maybe you should re-read what I said.

I think the four remaining Big 12 schools would probably be picked up by the Big East at that point.

[fpac]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Local sports radio here started the pregame show off saying it's a done deal, OU is leaving the Big 12.

[TripleCrown9]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Local sports radio here started the pregame show off saying it's a done deal, OU is leaving the Big 12.

And begin 4 more weeks of he said/she said.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

I think the four remaining Big 12 schools would probably be picked up by the Big East at that point.

Not necessarily. If those teams that are not in a BCS conference want to have a chance, they would go for the Big XII like stink on a pig.

[TDenverFan]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

It's obvious that you just glossed over it. Maybe you should re-read what I said.

I did read the whole thing... my point is you can't make a BCS conference based off of TV markets... Plus not all of those teams even come close to dominating their market.

[DonkeyJote]

The Pac 16 with oklahoma, ok st, tech, and texas is being discussed again, according to espn

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[fpac]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

The Pac 16 with oklahoma, ok st, tech, and texas is being discussed again, according to espn

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Talk from sports radio here is OU, Okie State, Texas and either Missouri or Tech. OU wants Mizzou, Texas wants Tech supposedly.