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  • ImTellinTim
    YNWA
    • Sep 2006
    • 33028

    #106
    Re: The realignment cometh

    Originally posted by DrJones
    Meh. That's cancelled out by the fact that travel in the West is greatly decreased in the first two playoff rounds. Vancouver crisscrossed 2 time zones numerous times against Chicago and Nashville last year. Detroit always seems to be playing California teams in the first two rounds. The new format just means that the Eastern teams might have to travel more in the third round. Boo hoo.
    That's how I feel about it too. The Wild have had to make the asinine Canada/West Coast road swings a few times a year since their inception. Also, what's so hard about spending a few hours on a nice direct flight on the team charter? These guys aren't flying coach. They'll survive.

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    • jyoung
      Hall Of Fame
      • Dec 2006
      • 11132

      #107
      Re: The realignment cometh

      Kind of bummed that the Predators got stuck in one of the 8-team divisions.

      Can we just contract Phoenix and Columbus to make all the divisions even with 7 teams a piece? Both franchises have been drawing 60%-70% attendance since the lockout.

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      • Fiddy
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        • Jul 2002
        • 12712

        #108
        Re: The realignment cometh

        Originally posted by wEEman33
        Kind of bummed that the Predators got stuck in one of the 8-team divisions.

        Can we just contract Phoenix and Columbus to make all the divisions even with 7 teams a piece? Both franchises have been drawing 60%-70% attendance since the lockout.
        agreed. they do need to retract 2 teams. but with this new format, it looks like they may want to expand by 2 instead.

        the league is watered down already, gonna get worse if they add 2 more teams obviously.
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        • slickdtc
          Grayscale
          • Aug 2004
          • 17125

          #109
          Re: The realignment cometh

          I like the new alignments because of the playoffs matchups it'll bring. I think it's awesome we could see Flyers v. Bruins in the Finals, or Flyers v. Red Wings in the Conference Finals. Tons of interesting possibilities. I'm just glad to see they went so radical instead of moving just one team.

          There was no way to satisfy everyone. This way, there's change for all. Everyone has to compromise.

          Florida and Tampa Bay are kind of beat being in essentially the Northwest, but oh well.
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          • OSUFan_88
            Outback Jesus
            • Jul 2004
            • 25642

            #110
            Re: The realignment cometh

            Originally posted by wEEman33
            Kind of bummed that the Predators got stuck in one of the 8-team divisions.

            Can we just contract Phoenix and Columbus to make all the divisions even with 7 teams a piece? Both franchises have been drawing 60%-70% attendance since the lockout.
            Oh really?

            You need to get your fact straight. Columbus has never fallen below 83%. Not to mention for about 7 out of 11 years they have 90% + for a really ****ty team.

            Basically what I'm saying is STFU, I deserve my team just as much as you. Stop trying to take it away from me.
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            • pietasterp
              All Star
              • Feb 2004
              • 6248

              #111
              Re: The realignment cometh

              Originally posted by DrJones
              Meh. That's cancelled out by the fact that travel in the West is greatly decreased in the first two playoff rounds. Vancouver crisscrossed 2 time zones numerous times against Chicago and Nashville last year. Detroit always seems to be playing California teams in the first two rounds. The new format just means that the Eastern teams might have to travel more in the third round. Boo hoo.

              I like the new conference alignments. In general, looking at things as a whole, it makes more sense to me than the current system. Obviously, I'm biased because I'm a Red Wings fan and this means much less travel for us (although now that I live 1500 miles away I sorta got to like them traveling so much!), I feel like keeping some semblance of geographic parity is fair. As the doc said, I don't care that the Eastern teams may have to travel more in the 3rd round; as we soon-to-be-ex-Western Conference denizens can attest, I call that making it even.

              Anyway, it's time for something like this; have they announced names? I suppose it's too much to ask to go back to Norris, Campbell, etc...maybe West, East, Midwest, and Southeast? Although I guess that doesn't exactly work geographically...

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              • jyoung
                Hall Of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11132

                #112
                Re: The realignment cometh

                Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                Oh really?

                You need to get your fact straight. Columbus has never fallen below 83%. Not to mention for about 7 out of 11 years they have 90% + for a really ****ty team.

                Basically what I'm saying is STFU, I deserve my team just as much as you. Stop trying to take it away from me.
                Teams with 85% and under in attendance since the lockout:

                Originally posted by 2011-2012

                23. Colorado -- 84.0
                24. Florida -- 82.0
                25. New Jersey -- 81.8
                26. NY Islanders -- 80.3
                27. Carolina -- 80.0
                28. Columbus -- 74.2
                29. Phoenix -- 64.2
                30. Dallas -- 61.9
                Originally posted by 2010 - 2011

                22. Anaheim -- 85.8
                23. New Jersey -- 83.8
                24. Colorado -- 82.3
                25. Florida -- 81.5
                26. Dallas -- 81.3
                27. Columbus -- 75.3
                28. Atlanta -- 72.6
                29. Phoenix -- 71.2
                30. NY Islanders -- 67.9
                Originally posted by 2009 - 2010

                23. Columbus -- 85.0
                24. Carolina -- 81.4
                25. Florida -- 78.7
                26. Tampa Bay -- 78.4
                27. NY Islanders -- 78.1
                28. Colorado -- 77.5
                29. Atlanta -- 73.4
                30. Phoenix -- 68.5
                Originally posted by 2008 - 2009

                24. Columbus -- 85.7
                25. Colorado -- 85.7
                26. Tampa Bay -- 85.6
                27. Phoenix -- 85.0
                28. NY Islanders -- 84.5
                29. Florida -- 81.2
                30. Atlanta -- 78.9
                Originally posted by 2007 - 2008

                23. Atlanta -- 85.4
                24. Phoenix -- 84.7
                25. St. Louis -- 83.9
                26. NY Islanders -- 83.7
                27. Washington -- 82.9
                28. Chicago -- 82.0
                29. Columbus -- 81.7
                30. Florida -- 80.2
                Originally posted by 2006 - 2007

                23. Phoenix -- 85.6
                24. Boston -- 84.1
                25. Florida -- 79.8
                26. NY Islanders -- 79.1
                27. Washington -- 74.6
                28. New Jersey -- 74.5
                29. Chicago -- 62.1
                30. St. Louis -- 59.6
                Atlanta's already been relocated.

                Phoenix is likely next on the chopping block. We've all seen this coming for a while now.

                Florida would be my number three team to axe/relocate, but they are in an East division, so it wouldn't do any good as far as balancing the divisions out.

                The Islanders aren't going away because of their history (4 cups in the 80s). Probably the same for Colorado (2 cups, 8 division championships), even though their history is a bit shorter.

                That leaves either Dallas or Columbus as Western teams, and of those, Dallas has the better history (1 cup, 7 division championships).
                Last edited by jyoung; 12-06-2011, 03:13 PM.

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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9120

                  #113
                  Re: The realignment cometh

                  Originally posted by pietasterp
                  I like the new conference alignments. In general, looking at things as a whole, it makes more sense to me than the current system. Obviously, I'm biased because I'm a Red Wings fan and this means much less travel for us (although now that I live 1500 miles away I sorta got to like them traveling so much!), I feel like keeping some semblance of geographic parity is fair.
                  It's not just the travel, either. Local TV ratings for Detroit, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, etc. should get a boost with far fewer road games starting at 9:30 or 10:30 local time.

                  Originally posted by pietasterp
                  As the doc said, I don't care that the Eastern teams may have to travel more in the 3rd round; as we soon-to-be-ex-Western Conference denizens can attest, I call that making it even.
                  Just so you know, the "re-seed after 2nd round" part of the playoff format hasn't been approved yet, though it sounds like this is the outcome that Bettman prefers.

                  Originally posted by pietasterp
                  Anyway, it's time for something like this; have they announced names? I suppose it's too much to ask to go back to Norris, Campbell, etc...maybe West, East, Midwest, and Southeast? Although I guess that doesn't exactly work geographically...
                  Not yet. They'll likely use West (or Pacific), Central, East, Atlantic. Rather than go back to the Smythe, Norris, Adams, Patrick days, I think it'd be nice to go with Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux.
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • DrJones
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 9120

                    #114
                    Re: The realignment cometh

                    Originally posted by wEEman33
                    Atlanta's already been relocated.

                    Phoenix is likely next on the chopping block. We've all seen this coming for a while now.

                    Florida would be my number three team to axe/relocate, but they are in an East division, so it wouldn't do any good as far as balancing the divisions out.

                    The Islanders aren't going away because of their history (4 cups in the 80s). Probably the same for Colorado (2 cups, 8 division championships), even though their history is a bit shorter.

                    That leaves either Dallas or Columbus as Western teams, and of those, Dallas has the better history (1 cup, 7 division championships).
                    Dallas just got new ownership. Columbus and Florida have long-term stadium leases which would have to be broken at great expense. Other than Phoenix, the only realistic relocation within the next decade involves the Islanders after the 2014-15 season. They might be able to maintain their identity by moving to another part of Gotham (Queens, Brooklyn), but they ain't staying where they are now. Unless league revenues go into total freefall (ie, the American economy goes even further south, and the loonie drops back down to 65 cents US), contraction just is not going to happen.
                    Originally posted by Thrash13
                    Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                    Originally posted by slickdtc
                    DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                    Originally posted by Kipnis22
                    yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                    • ImTellinTim
                      YNWA
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 33028

                      #115
                      Re: The realignment cometh

                      Originally posted by DrJones
                      Just so you know, the "re-seed after 2nd round" part of the playoff format hasn't been approved yet, though it sounds like this is the outcome that Bettman prefers.
                      Yes, and the article I read last night (don't remember which one it was) says that it's going to be up to the GM's? Is that accurate?

                      Also, I love seeing some of these Eastern guys huffing and puffing that Crosby and Ovie are not both able to pass the 2nd round.

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                      • Perfect Zero
                        1B, OF
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 4012

                        #116
                        Re: The realignment cometh

                        As a fan of hockey that doesn't watch the Stars much because of the old west coast swing, this is great news. Instead of having nearly have of the division on Pacific time, we now have a Central Time Zone team with the occasional play on the coast. Once Hicks gets the boot (the Rangers had the same attendance problem while he was in his last days of ownership there), the Stars have a good chance to go back on top again.
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                        • goh
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 20755

                          #117
                          Re: The realignment cometh

                          Originally posted by DrJones
                          How so? Helps their travel immensely. Winnipeg's going to sell out every game anyway, it doesn't matter if Vancouver, Edmonton & Calgary visit only once per season.
                          Looks like they'll still have to go a long way. Not as long of a way but still,a long way. They should swap with Phoenix.

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                          • ImTellinTim
                            YNWA
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 33028

                            #118
                            Re: The realignment cometh

                            Originally posted by goh
                            Looks like they'll still have to go a long way. Not as long of a way but still,a long way. They should swap with Phoenix.
                            How in the world does that make sense? Look at the map again and reconsider that notion. Their longest trip is to Dallas in the new alignment. Now you want to give them that same trip mile-wise for 3 conference opponents that are 2 time zones over? And take Phoenix away from close proximity of 3 conference opponents?
                            Last edited by ImTellinTim; 12-06-2011, 04:57 PM.

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                            • DrJones
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 9120

                              #119
                              Re: The realignment cometh

                              Originally posted by goh
                              Looks like they'll still have to go a long way. Not as long of a way but still,a long way. They should swap with Phoenix.
                              Distance as the crow flies from Winnipeg to:

                              Edmonton: 741 miles (1 timezone difference)
                              Calgary: 749 miles (1 tz)
                              Denver: 801 miles (1 tz)
                              Vancouver: 1162 miles (2 tz)
                              San Jose: 1503 miles (2 tz)
                              Los Angeles: 1534 miles (2 tz)
                              Anaheim: 1549 miles (2 tz)

                              Total: 8039 miles

                              Minnesota: 385 miles (0 tz)
                              Chicago: 718 miles (0 tz)
                              St. Louis: 846 miles (0 tz)
                              Detroit: 849 miles (1 tz)
                              Columbus: 972 miles (1 tz)
                              Nashville: 1081 miles (0 tz)
                              Dallas: 1169 miles (0 tz)

                              Total: 6020 miles

                              The Jets would have to be bat**** insane to consider switching places with the Coyotes.
                              Originally posted by Thrash13
                              Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                              Originally posted by slickdtc
                              DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                              Originally posted by Kipnis22
                              yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                              • bukktown
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3257

                                #120
                                Re: The realignment cometh

                                As a MN fan, I love the realignment!

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