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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #61
    Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

    Originally posted by ImTellinTim
    Minnesota needed to be saved in 2004? Nope.

    I would like to apologize to all you hockey fans that the Minnesota franchise curse has to affect everyone. This state's teams can't have nice things without something stupid happening.
    Oh. Wow. Why in God's name did I list them? Jesus christ..... They'll never need to be saved lol. Some of the game's best fans.
    "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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    • TheMatrix31
      RF
      • Jul 2002
      • 52931

      #62
      Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

      Sucks for someone like me who's still trying to immerse himself into the game and the history and all that, but two or three months isn't a dealbreaker. Maybe it'll make me even MORE anxious to start.

      Only problem is I'll have to be stuck with basketball stupidity until the season gets underway. Argh.

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      • bad_philanthropy
        MVP
        • Jul 2005
        • 12167

        #63
        Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

        Fehr and Bettman playing chicken. Great.

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        • Money99
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2002
          • 12696

          #64
          Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

          Because the owners place zero value on the first 2 months of hockey, I could easily see a shortened season beginning around Christmas.

          If there's more than 10 missed games, I'm done with the NHL.
          The owners and Bettman really couldn't care less about it's fans. They know they'll continue to come back no matter what, so they continue to stomp all over us.
          Not to mention the product on the ice; too many blocked shots, not enough skating room, too many concussions, goalie gear that's twice as big as it should be, not enough quality even-strength goals, a disciplinary system that's a laughing stock of the league, etc, etc, etc.

          If there's another stoppage, there is absolutely no reason for me to spend any more of my time, energy and especially money on a league that hates it's fans and couldn't care less about the product it puts on the ice.

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          • bad_philanthropy
            MVP
            • Jul 2005
            • 12167

            #65
            Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

            Originally posted by Money99
            Because the owners place zero value on the first 2 months of hockey, I could easily see a shortened season beginning around Christmas.

            If there's more than 10 missed games, I'm done with the NHL.
            The owners and Bettman really couldn't care less about it's fans. They know they'll continue to come back no matter what, so they continue to stomp all over us.
            Not to mention the product on the ice; too many blocked shots, not enough skating room, too many concussions, goalie gear that's twice as big as it should be, not enough quality even-strength goals, a disciplinary system that's a laughing stock of the league, etc, etc, etc.

            If there's another stoppage, there is absolutely no reason for me to spend any more of my time, energy and especially money on a league that hates it's fans and couldn't care less about the product it puts on the ice.
            The league's overall standard has declined precipitously since it was "remade" after the last lockout.

            I think it's both the league and the NHLPA taking the fans for granted here. They take the bonanza Canadian market for granted as guaranteed money no matter what, but this disagreement is also a slap in the face to markets like Nashville and Carolina that have become charmed by the game since the lockout.

            Other issues of the cba dispute aside, the biggest one is still a fight over which side owns what of the revenue pie. Both sides want to own more than they do now. Fans lose. They've put this money into the coffers, and the league and PA can't responsibly reason how to share it.

            If they are locked out for a substantial period of time again, then I hope the league suffers serious damage. If the sides can't agree, I hope the fans speak with their wallets and make the market for pro hockey in North America one where there aren't millions to be made whether you're an owner or a player. Let's see how ownership and the PA would like that.

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            • ImTellinTim
              YNWA
              • Sep 2006
              • 33028

              #66
              Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

              I hate Donald Fehr's face.

              When you see him looking all scowly and using words like "gulf", you know you're about to get crapped on as a fan.
              Last edited by ImTellinTim; 08-10-2012, 01:30 PM.

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              • Dispatch
                MVP
                • Jan 2006
                • 2339

                #67
                Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                I would hate to see the NHL have another lockout. All of the big markets are rolling right now. Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, LA, Vancouver, Detroit, and even the small markets are competitive. I mean the goals are down overall, but the game is still fun to watch. If we could get a slight uptick in scoring the NHL would grow so much over the next few years.

                They have a great contract with NBC. I mean every playoff game is shown nationally. Thats awesome exposure for the league. It's just a shame we're in this situation again.

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                • bad_philanthropy
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 12167

                  #68
                  Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                  Originally posted by Dispatch
                  I would hate to see the NHL have another lockout. All of the big markets are rolling right now. Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, LA, Vancouver, Detroit, and even the small markets are competitive. I mean the goals are down overall, but the game is still fun to watch. If we could get a slight uptick in scoring the NHL would grow so much over the next few years.

                  They have a great contract with NBC. I mean every playoff game is shown nationally. Thats awesome exposure for the league. It's just a shame we're in this situation again.
                  Completely due to the refs mysteriously not calling obstruction anymore like they did when the lockout ended. It was supposed to be a big part of making the game better. I have no idea why it stopped being called.

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                  • sharks
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 690

                    #69
                    Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                    I don't get the point of needing more goals. More scoring results in each goal meaning less.
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                    • thedudedominick
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 3794

                      #70
                      Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                      All they have to do to open up the scoring again is cut down on the size of goaltender pads. The pads should be purely for safety, not extra large to stop pucks.
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                      • DrJones
                        All Star
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 9120

                        #71
                        Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                        Originally posted by sharks
                        I don't get the point of needing more goals. More scoring results in each goal meaning less.
                        In the understatement of the century, I disagree with this line of thinking.
                        Originally posted by Thrash13
                        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                        Originally posted by slickdtc
                        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                        Originally posted by Kipnis22
                        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                        • jyoung
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 11132

                          #72
                          Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                          Originally posted by thedudedominick
                          All they have to do to open up the scoring again is cut down on the size of goaltender pads. The pads should be purely for safety, not extra large to stop pucks.
                          No need to stop with just goalie pads. The elbow pads and shoulder pads skaters use now are also pretty ridiculous and probably contribute to just as many injuries as they prevent.

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                          • ImTellinTim
                            YNWA
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 33028

                            #73
                            Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                            Originally posted by sharks
                            I don't get the point of needing more goals. More scoring results in each goal meaning less.
                            Yuck. The point is that play is curtailed by clutching and grabbing, and even strength goals become the result of who gets the luckiest bounce more often than not. That's boring and isn't how the sport was meant to be played.

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                            • Dispatch
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 2339

                              #74
                              Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                              Originally posted by thedudedominick
                              All they have to do to open up the scoring again is cut down on the size of goaltender pads. The pads should be purely for safety, not extra large to stop pucks.
                              I don't even think you need to mess with the pads. Just make the nets half an inch to an inch wider and all those posts that get rung turn into goals.

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                              • AC
                                Win the East
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 14951

                                #75
                                Re: Potential Issues with the CBA

                                Originally posted by Dispatch
                                I don't even think you need to mess with the pads. Just make the nets half an inch to an inch wider and all those posts that get rung turn into goals.
                                Not a terrible idea.... I like it. I like decreasing pad size too.
                                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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