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  • CMH
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    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #106
    Re: Star Trek: The Movie

    Star Wars the new trilogy is garbage. I pretend they never happened. And if someone wants to argue that that's the reason Star Wars sucks, please look back at half of the 10 Star Trek movies that were released. Everyone is batting .500 here.

    Man, you call that him being a teenager? I guess a young one, but when I think teenager I think a kid in high school. He couldn't be more than 12 or 13, right?

    Anyway, I was actually thinking about that after the movie. I think the problem the reviewer has with it is it's relevance. There doesn't seem to be one because every other scene in that film is about space.

    However, my thoughts are this: if you don't like that scene then you can't like Spock's young childhood "oh, he's half human" scene. Because they are one in the same. They are character scenes.

    Kirk's young scene was trying to show us that he was 1. A rebel in some ways and 2. Disinterested with authority.

    Both of those characteristics play a large role in his being named Captain of the Starship Enterprise. Perhaps at the moment, the scene seemed irrelevant. And maybe the reviewer dislikes it because we already know that Kirk is a rebel and disinterested in authority. But, the point is that the film was taking us through time and the past must explain something or it's out of place.

    Yes, that scene was different (again, no space here). But, it's important to help viewers understand Kirk. Without that scene, we don't know that he's always been considered an intelligent human with a tendency to act against authority - something that Cpt. Pike alludes to in the next Kirk scene.

    So finally, when we're talking about space and the movie being about space, then I can understand why someone would say it's the worst part of the film. I just hope that reviewer wasn't downplaying the importance of that scene just because he saw fields in Iowa.
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    • mgoblue
      Go Wings!
      • Jul 2002
      • 25477

      #107
      Re: Star Trek: The Movie

      Originally posted by YankeePride
      Star Wars the new trilogy is garbage. I pretend they never happened. And if someone wants to argue that that's the reason Star Wars sucks, please look back at half of the 10 Star Trek movies that were released. Everyone is batting .500 here.

      Man, you call that him being a teenager? I guess a young one, but when I think teenager I think a kid in high school. He couldn't be more than 12 or 13, right?

      Anyway, I was actually thinking about that after the movie. I think the problem the reviewer has with it is it's relevance. There doesn't seem to be one because every other scene in that film is about space.

      However, my thoughts are this: if you don't like that scene then you can't like Spock's young childhood "oh, he's half human" scene. Because they are one in the same. They are character scenes.

      Kirk's young scene was trying to show us that he was 1. A rebel in some ways and 2. Disinterested with authority.

      Both of those characteristics play a large role in his being named Captain of the Starship Enterprise. Perhaps at the moment, the scene seemed irrelevant. And maybe the reviewer dislikes it because we already know that Kirk is a rebel and disinterested in authority. But, the point is that the film was taking us through time and the past must explain something or it's out of place.

      Yes, that scene was different (again, no space here). But, it's important to help viewers understand Kirk. Without that scene, we don't know that he's always been considered an intelligent human with a tendency to act against authority - something that Cpt. Pike alludes to in the next Kirk scene.

      So finally, when we're talking about space and the movie being about space, then I can understand why someone would say it's the worst part of the film. I just hope that reviewer wasn't downplaying the importance of that scene just because he saw fields in Iowa.
      I agree...while I would have thought he'd be a bit older, it was a good scene to just show how "bad boy" Kirk is. They're also trying to appeal to everyone, not just Trek fans, so they needed all that character development. You could watch this without knowing anything Trek and have it be great.

      I can't compare this to the original Star Wars, the movies are from different eras, and set out to do different things...It's also tough to compare "new" with the feelings and nostalgia the Star Wars series brings...

      No new movies will be exactly like those, or the old Trek stuff, because those are memories and memories are predominantly good...movies like that reach a fairly unattainable level because they live in our hearts, if that makes any sense lol
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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #108
        Re: Star Trek: The Movie

        No, it makes a lot of sense.

        My preference would be to never compare. I didn't want to and never would have if I hadn't seen people start doing it. So, I had to speak up and ask them to really consider what they were saying here.

        And I tried to do that while acknowledging that this Star Trek film was great. I'm still in shock with how well they did here. Whenever I think about the many ways they could have ruined this film, they didn't. From start to finish, everything was done exceptionally well. It's nice to see actions films doing such a good job.
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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        • snepp
          We'll waste him too.
          • Apr 2003
          • 10007

          #109
          Re: Star Trek: The Movie

          I am incredibly happy to hear how well this turned out, had it been a flop who knows when (or even if) there would be another one.

          Hopefully they don't pull an X-Men and flush future installments down the crapper.
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          • CMH
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            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #110
            Re: Star Trek: The Movie

            If JJ is attached to produce and direct then I think we'll be fine. And he'll have to bring along the same two writers, his friends, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.

            I know JJ isn't really a Star Trek fan, but without doing any research, I'm going to safely assume that Orci and Kurtzman are. They did the franchise justice.

            And one last time, I promise, but JJ said that he was always a Star Wars fan and he wanted to bring what he found exciting about Star Wars to Star Trek. He did a good job.

            Though, I will say one major negative. The fighting scenes were a bit overdone. I'm just not a fan of tight, shaky shots, where you have no idea who is where and what's going on.
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            • CMH
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              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #111
              Re: Star Trek: The Movie

              Well, it's been announced for 2011.

              Untitled Star Trek sequel.

              <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" align="left">Writing credits

              (in alphabetical order) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Alex Kurtzman</td><td> </td><td valign="top"> screenplay</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Damon Lindelof</td><td> </td><td valign="top"> screenplay</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Roberto Orci</td><td> </td><td valign="top"> screenplay</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Gene Roddenberry</td><td> </td><td valign="top"> television series "Star Trek"</td></tr></tbody></table>

              Boom.
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              • tanis38
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                • Jul 2004
                • 1100

                #112
                Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                Just saw this and thought it was fantastic! I wasn't a big Star Trek fan going in, but I'll be a big fan going forward if they make a few more flicks with this cast and production team. J.J. Abrams did a great job!
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42572

                  #113
                  Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                  Is this movie... geeky?

                  I'm not asking for myself, but my 15 year old sister can only take so many detracting elements in a movie to appreciate any of the glorious special effects. She loves The Dark Knight though she doesn't understand all of it (Lau and the mob, Gotham's struggling downfall, etc.), she was okay with Transformers and appreciates the Spider-Man series, and I know that it would take a lot to get her into this movie just by asking her if she wants to see it. She would definitely be skeptical and say that I'm weird for wanting to see something like this.

                  So if you could, what's a way to convince her to see this? I mean, do you think that a fifteen year old girl would be able to not only follow most of the movie, but enjoy it thoroughly like everyone else here? I've never seen Star Trek in my life and have been very turned off by the pointy ears and such, and she was skeptical about Batman at first (did I tell you she thought he "got powers from being bit by a bat"?), but the insane realism in it allowed her to enjoy it instead of like the Burton Batman films, which would be a complete turn-off to her.

                  Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #114
                    Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                    You can remind her that millions of other people are watching it.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42572

                      #115
                      Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                      Originally posted by YankeePride
                      You can remind her that millions of other people are watching it.
                      That's normally what I have to do to convince her. I don't like falling into hype, which is why it's tough for me to say TDK is my favorite movie because people generally give me the eye roll and say "It's everybody's favorite movie." Well, exceptionally, I love it because I love it, not because everyone else does or because I'm supposed to (The Godfather, To Kill a Mockingbird, five-star restaurant burgers...). But I have to play the role of the hypocrite and stoop to that level to convince her to go by showing her the RT score, the box office numbers, etc. Then she needs to get approval from her few friends that see it, which they suck at analyzing every damn movie they see.

                      I'm just wondering if there's a way to compel her that she either won't be lost or find it too geeky for her own pleasure. Examples of turn-offs for her would be: them saying "fleet" and "commander" every second, having a bunch of guys with raspy voices and big ears for the hell of it, and anything like the events in the real world in The Matrix Reloaded.

                      I would like her to see it if she'll like it (she needs to expand her movie library), but it's getting her there that's the problem.
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                      • ODogg
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 37953

                        #116
                        Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                        The movie is not geeky. Star Trek The Next Generation is geeky (and this geek's favorite Star Trek). This movie is nothing like that.
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                        • mgoblue
                          Go Wings!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 25477

                          #117
                          Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                          Originally posted by ODogg
                          The movie is not geeky. Star Trek The Next Generation is geeky (and this geek's favorite Star Trek). This movie is nothing like that.
                          Yeah, this is a fun Star Trek action-y movie. It's not like Star Wars (which I love as well) where you kinda want to know a lot of the details, etc. It's not like the other Star Trek movies where they rely a lot on you knowing older stuff and whatnot.

                          They made this movie with the intent that people didn't know Star Trek and it's a great way to go.
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                          • Blzer
                            Resident film pundit
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 42572

                            #118
                            Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                            Awesome. I'll be sure to check it out in a couple of weeks when I return home and see if she'll be all over it. If she hesitates, I'll tell her that it's not like what she thinks, and remind her that she's like other movies that she was prejudiced about as well.

                            I on the other hand should undoubtedly love this movie. I like what J.J. Abrams does with his work, and he hasn't let me down yet.
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                            • ODogg
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #119
                              Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                              Originally posted by Blzer
                              Awesome. I'll be sure to check it out in a couple of weeks when I return home and see if she'll be all over it. If she hesitates, I'll tell her that it's not like what she thinks, and remind her that she's like other movies that she was prejudiced about as well.

                              I on the other hand should undoubtedly love this movie. I like what J.J. Abrams does with his work, and he hasn't let me down yet.
                              You know I loved this movie like a lot of other folks but I won't lie and say that I miss the cerebral Star Trek that you say you're attempting to avoid. But if this is the path for Star Trek to make a comeback i'm just fine with it. I know i'm not alone though in hoping that if a new TV series is brought back that we get a little less action and a bit more "talking" and diplomatic, ethically based, classic Star Trek type episodes.

                              This type of Star Trek works well on the big screen but would not endure as a series.
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                              • SPTO
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 68046

                                #120
                                Re: Star Trek: The Movie

                                I'm glad to see so many good reviews. I can't wait to see it.

                                Also for those that know the history of the Star Trek franchise, this is the first odd numbered Trek film to be well received. Historically every odd numbered Trek film has been pretty bad with the exception of ST III: The Search for Spock.
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