Dexter (Season 6)

[Pared]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Which is what others have been saying.

But nah - it's just sloppy lazy writing.

[BlueNGold]

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But nah - it's just sloppy lazy writing.

Not that there hasn't been though.....

[Beantown]

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Not that there hasn't been though.....

There has been, but not to the scope people are making it out to be.

Dexter being sloppy is not bad or lazy writing. It's setting up for the end of the series. Now there are two characters on the show who, presumably, know about Dexter in Deb and the Intern and there were numerous occasions this season (all the searches on the Interns engine, the phone call with no disguised voice, the video, etc.) that can come back up in the next bit to bring about the end for Dexter....which has to happen in the next 24 episodes.

Like I said - this season wasn't my favorite, and is probably my least favorite, but they used it to set up the end. The story -everything from Travis' plan being larger in scope than just murdering people forcing Dex out of his element by helping the police to Dexter being sloppy to the incest angle to the spiritual stuff with Dexter/Brother Sam as Dex tries to settle who he is after seasons of inner back-and-forth....everything was needed in order to start bringing the series to a close.

Not on the level of the best seasons, but it was needed. That's how I'm going to view the season and that's why this is still my favorite show of all time. I will, however, probably stay out of this thread during the season next year. No need since I don't want to continually fight and defend the show. It's not why I watch TV - I watch to be entertained for 51 minutes. This show does that, even with the moments of sloppy writing, or the "things seem too easy" kind of things. Things seemed pretty ****ing easy in Season Four when Dexter went into the building after Trinity and saw him hammering that dude's skull in (what kind of building that is that big seriously only has one security guard?).

[Pared]

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Problem is people are attributing EVERYTHING to sloppy writing. Reality is you don't know what is or isn't intentional and people are assuming everything is unintentional.

The fact that the writer points to the pilot about Dexter's comments about love and Debra tells you they are going somewhere with everything.

The character can't develop if he continues to be this super smart, always perfect assassin. They are humanizing him and since everyone wants perfect Dexter they can't accept that.

They also seem to forget Dexter is MESSED UP mentally. He seems poised but the entire show's premise was that he had issues and he has difficulty addressing them. Go back and rewatch the first season and look at his evolution socially. It's a stark contrast to how he was first introduced. Viewers can accept his social change in this aspect and not in the manner in how he handles his killing?

[BlueNGold]

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There has been, but not to the scope people are making it out to be.

Dexter being sloppy is not bad or lazy writing. It's setting up for the end of the series. Now there are two characters on the show who, presumably, know about Dexter in Deb and the Intern and there were numerous occasions this season (all the searches on the Interns engine, the phone call with no disguised voice, the video, etc.) that can come back up in the next bit to bring about the end for Dexter....which has to happen in the next 24 episodes.

Like I said - this season wasn't my favorite, and is probably my least favorite, but they used it to set up the end. The story -everything from Travis' plan being larger in scope than just murdering people forcing Dex out of his element by helping the police to Dexter being sloppy to the incest angle to the spiritual stuff with Dexter/Brother Sam as Dex tries to settle who he is after seasons of inner back-and-forth....everything was needed in order to start bringing the series to a close.

Not on the level of the best seasons, but it was needed. That's how I'm going to view the season and that's why this is still my favorite show of all time. I will, however, probably stay out of this thread during the season next year. No need since I don't want to continually fight and defend the show. It's not why I watch TV - I watch to be entertained for 51 minutes. This show does that, even with the moments of sloppy writing, or the "things seem too easy" kind of things. Things seemed pretty ****ing easy in Season Four when Dexter went into the building after Trinity and saw him hammering that dude's skull in (what kind of building that is that big seriously only has one security guard?).

Yeah, I'm probably going to stay away as well. I think I started developing my own Dark Passenger being in here either defending the show or hating on it.

This is also my least favorite season, and I complained more than enough about it. The first half of the season I didn't mind, but it was all downhill after the Nebraska episode (aka the turning point of this season, IMO), which is where I thought things were going to pick up. And like I said earlier, I think if the villain was much stronger than Travis (not talking physically), this would have been viewed as a much better season than it turned out to be.

Anyways, you mentioned the search engine thing and I've been meaning to point this out; they switched back to the old search engine in the last few episodes.

[BlueNGold]

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Problem is people are attributing EVERYTHING to sloppy writing. Reality is you don't know what is or isn't intentional and people are assuming everything is unintentional.

The fact that the writer points to the pilot about Dexter's comments about love and Debra tells you they are going somewhere with everything.

The character can't develop if he continues to be this super smart, always perfect assassin. They are humanizing him and since everyone wants perfect Dexter they can't accept that.

They also seem to forget Dexter is MESSED UP mentally. He seems poised but the entire show's premise was that he had issues and he has difficulty addressing them. Go back and rewatch the first season and look at his evolution socially. It's a stark contrast to how he was first introduced. Viewers can accept his social change in this aspect and not in the manner in how he handles his killing?

Personally I always thought Rita's death affected him more than they ever let on.

[bichettehappens]

Why would Dexter ever assume that Deborah was going to show up at the church? The main kills always happen in a place that matters do the church was the only place that Dexters Dark Passenger would've been satisfied killing Travis.

Deb to him to go check it out, se didn't say she'd join him or tell her when so I really don't see that being a real valid way of saying Dex is getting sloppy. There are better examples of that.

When I said he was getting sloppy it was in reference to the whole season, but he did tell her when otherwise why would she show up there and not at his apartment?

[bichettehappens]

The writers/producers have said Dexter is getting "sloppy" for a reason:

(From the link posted a page ago):

I realize that his sloppiness throughout the season was intentionally, and that's why I'm even more disappointed that his sloppiness earlier in the season had absolutely nothing to do with Deb finding out.

Sure, they're probably gearing up to have him caught on a much bigger scale then by Deb (although I can't see that happening soon unless they want to spend nearly a full season of him on the run/on trial/in prison), but it's just frustrating to me that the reason he's caught is the soap opera storyline rather than the intentional sloppiness throughout the season.

[Beantown]

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When I said he was getting sloppy it was in reference to the whole season, but he did tell her when otherwise why would she show up there and not at his apartment?

He didn't tell her, specifically, when he was going. She said to go, he said he'd go after Harrison's Recital. There was never a "I'll meet you there" or "We'll go together," so really Dexter - especially Dexter who really, really wants to kill Travis after Travis tried to kill Harrison - had no reason to suspect that Deb would ever show up at the church to check up on him.

[CMH]

The lazy writing is the convenience of it all. This episode once again had countless tough situations end up too easy for Dexter to resolve.

The issue I have with it isn't to make me throw my hands in the air. It's because it makes the main character less heroic. Dexter more and more is using less and less of his innate ability to be smarter than his foe.

In past seasons it was his intelligence that made him interesting. And he did it through very specific steps.

This season he wasn't intelligent. He was just lucky or super human. And countless times. Time and time again he had a solution thrown at him rather than him figuring it out as we watched his use his smarts to remain alive.

Anyway, I'm glad Deb knows but the reveal was horrible. I'm not gonna dwell on it because it's a beggars can't be choosers deal, but goodness it really was just another convenient set up.

For five years they've talked about Deb being so smart. She never sees how good a cop she really is. Yet that intelligence (there it is again) didn't matter in the most important reveal on the show ever.

This is the moment we've all waited for since episode one. Everyone waited for this. And she finds out because she just decides to visit him? Really?

At no point did her being a lieutenant for Homicide at Miami Metro, a place that hunts down serial killers, ever cross the mind of the writers to use as the perfect way for the whiz kid lieutenant to discover her brother is a serial killer?

No. Instead she was just kinda walking around. It's a huge missed opportunity that makes Debra any character. Anyone could have been her in that situation and that's an injustice to the character who deserves a truly special Deb only experience.

Sorry this show no longer bears the intelligent story telling that made it special.

Sad day for me. I lost my favorite show on television.


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[CMH]

I really think the reveal should have been a season long arc that culminated in Debra putting pieces together and using her intelligence to then check on her brother's whereabouts.

Instead, someone just wrote a note to her. That's what this was. Theres no rah rah moment. No suspense of: "omg she's finally gonna figure it out!"

She just kinda walked into it. Literally.

Just wow. And everything she's gonna go through now, the putting it all together, the remembering old clues, could still have been part of the process once she saw him actually kill a person.

They robbed us of a truly great moment by giving it zero anticipation. We didn't even know se would show up.

Forget it. I'm dwelling on it now. I'm just incredibly disappointed.


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[Beantown]

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They robbed us of a truly great moment by giving it zero anticipation. We didn't even know se would show up.

Wait...what?

I thought her showing up st the church was even more obvious than Gellar being dead. There was plenty of anticipation there for me.

The rest of your two posts are valid - this part I just don't agree with it at all. From the moment she told him about the Church I figured she'd show up. Maybe that wasn't as obvious to other people.

[CMH]

Wait...what?

I thought her showing up st the church was even more obvious than Gellar being dead. There was plenty of anticipation there for me.

The rest of your two posts are valid - this part I just don't agree with it at all. From the moment she told him about the Church I figured she'd show up. Maybe that wasn't as obvious to other people.

You're right. That part isn't valid.


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lol it must suck watching TV like you guys do.

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[Seymour Scagnetti]

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He didn't tell her, specifically, when he was going. She said to go, he said he'd go after Harrison's Recital. There was never a "I'll meet you there" or "We'll go together," so really Dexter - especially Dexter who really, really wants to kill Travis after Travis tried to kill Harrison - had no reason to suspect that Deb would ever show up at the church to check up on him.

You seriously buy that. it's not that Deb might show up. Anybody could have showed to help Dexter do his job. Mazuka, an intern, a clean up crew etc... He's doing a final sweep over a huge church.

Sloppy Dexter? You would have to be the biggest idiot in the world to think that would be anything but a horrible place for a kill pretty much knowing the whole dept knows your there and someone might come to help. Sugarcoat it all you want but it's just bad writing and everything done for convenience (like no floor wrap at the church so Deb will beleive it was a spur of the moment killing and not ritualistic) has made this show impossible to take seriously.

If it was just Dex's sloppiness then maybe there would be a valid point but I could fill 10 pages worth of crap (even if I wasn't long winded) on the stupid things that could easily have been checked if someone proof read this script. Even Hanks said in an interview they were writing on the fly and the ending and his character were changed at the last minute.

It's an insult to the audience (this isn't a Transformers movie so stop treating the viewers that way) and the show itself to treat the writing like that and thinking they will redeem themselves by throwing in the "Deb finds out" angle, and they even screwed that up, so everything else is forgiven. People want to watch 12 quality shows, not a spur of the moment incest angles (which had to be sudden because anyone with a brain would have said "WTF are you guys doing with the show? " to justify Deb's reaction later. And that sloppiness with the video message and other much too obvious things was more likely damage control by the producer because of the backlash of how stupid that was in a seaon full of stupid.