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  • Rodster
    Banned
    • Mar 2003
    • 5709

    #1486
    Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

    Originally posted by burnwood
    Yup, I gotta give it to you too.

    However, I'd be somewhat concerned if I was to buy a PS3 while Harrison made that statement. If Blu-Ray is all Sony says it's cracked up to be then they should be backing it 110%. Isn't it supposed to replace the DVD? So, if it is gone in '5 years or so', according to Sony, then why such a major stake in Blu-Ray now?

    It seems their whole organization is in complete disarray.
    Exactly and BR is the reason this machine is $300 than the PS2. Gamers are being asked to fork over alot more money this time around for something that might be absolete when the next system is rolled out.

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    • CaptainZombie
      Brains
      • Jul 2003
      • 37851

      #1487
      Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

      Originally posted by burnwood
      Yup, I gotta give it to you too.

      However, I'd be somewhat concerned if I was to buy a PS3 while Harrison made that statement. If Blu-Ray is all Sony says it's cracked up to be then they should be backing it 110%. Isn't it supposed to replace the DVD? So, if it is gone in '5 years or so', according to Sony, then why such a major stake in Blu-Ray now?

      It seems their whole organization is in complete disarray.
      It's Sony, they want to be known as "Proprietaries" and always change formats like there's no tomorrow.
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      • CaptainZombie
        Brains
        • Jul 2003
        • 37851

        #1488
        Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

        Originally posted by Rodster
        Exactly and BR is the reason this machine is $300 than the PS2. Gamers are being asked to fork over alot more money this time around for something that might be absolete when the next system is rolled out.
        Rod,

        That is one reason why I'm turned off by the PS3. Granted I was one of the people that wanted to get one back during E3, but after that price I decided it's a no for me. I might pickup the Wii depending on how finances are in the fall, but I think that Sony has really backed themselves into a corner here with so much at stake on the Blu-Ray.

        Already, many reviewers have said HD-DVD is beating Blu-Ray via picture and sound quality when 2 movies that are on both formats have been reviewed. When your looking at the HD era of DVD's, as a consumer I can buy the $500 HD-DVD over the $1,000 BR player and get better quality all around.
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        • ThaGenecyst
          MVP
          • Sep 2004
          • 4404

          #1489
          Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

          man there better be blu ray in the PS4
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          • Misfit
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 5766

            #1490
            Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

            Originally posted by HMcCoy
            I gotta give it to you, your faith in this machine is completely unshakeable. You blow off every ounce of PS3 negativity without blinking. I hope Sony's product is all you hope for...seriously, you deserve it.

            My faith isn't unshakeable in this machine. I think the price might scare people away but I don't look at the PS3 through Microsoft goggles. The machine's price just looks scary because its listed $200 higher than a 360 but you pay for basically the same thing (wireless adapter, extra 20 gigs of HD space, Blu Ray player) as if you were buying a 360. If they feel like Blu Ray will be a success then they won't need it in a PS4 since the PS3 is here to establish Blu Ray (and yes, I'd say that's its primary goal above giving the consumer a gaming machine) and they likely assume that their machine will be a success and every consumer come 2011 will already have Blu Ray. That's their assumption, I'm not saying their reality. The major way Sony will screw up the PS3 is if their software is priced higher than 360, otherwise I don't expect their sales to fall below Microsoft's because they still hold market share.

            Though you make too many assumptions. We've had discussions in the past on who's buying what and I'm on record as not being a Playstation 3 supporter. I have zero interest in this console as of right now. I just find the doom and gloom predictions all around this board amusing and I can't always ignore them.
            Last edited by Misfit; 08-09-2006, 11:06 AM.

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            • DaveDQ
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              • Sep 2003
              • 7664

              #1491
              Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

              I think Harrison is simply commenting on what digital media will become in time. Right now we have the huge popularity of digital music that has been established, what not to expect but the same with movies. Broadband has already gotten beyond what we see in the US in Japan. Hardrives are bigger than ever, and storage is smaller than ever.

              That being said, it's kind of a bad idea to comment on the future PS4 when your PS3 hasn't even been released yet. Even more, comment on how your soon to be released technology will be excluded from future projects.
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              • Ice Cream Truck
                Money Makin' Sonny
                • Nov 2003
                • 2200

                #1492
                Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                Originally posted by Rodster
                So much for Blu-Ray



                Sony's Harrison: 'Amazed' if PS4 Has a Disc Drive
                What about these Blu-Ray discs, then?
                by Luke Smith, 08/08/2006
                20 of 24 users recommend this story.

                This just in: Blu-Ray is dead.

                Pardon the hyperbole, but with senior Sony executives speculating that the PS4 (yes, you read that right) may not use a disc format as the company is at the cusp of rolling out future proof technology, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the proprietary disc format's staying power.

                Phil Harrison told Wired that he would be "amazed if the PS4 has a physical disk drive." In fairness, Harrison was talking about the emergence of electronic distribution (something Sony's mastermind Ken Kutaragi has championed previously), but that doesn't change the back-handed slap to the Blu-ray format.

                The likelihood of being done with disc media after this console cycle (yes, the one that is about to finally begin sometime this fall) seems a bit much -- the feasibility of downloading complete experiences like Halo 3 is severely limited by Internet availability and access.
                ???

                When the hell is PS4 coming out? PS3 ain't even out yet???

                Some info you just have to disregard.

                Seriously. PS4? Can you say 5 years from now?

                My God, you gotta love the media.
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                • bigeastbumrush
                  My Momma's Son
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 19245

                  #1493
                  Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                  Originally posted by Misfit
                  I just find the doom and gloom predictions all around this board amusing and I can't always ignore them.
                  I'm glad someone said this.

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                  • Spongedaddy
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 2030

                    #1494
                    Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                    Originally posted by Ice Cream Truck
                    ???

                    When the hell is PS4 coming out? PS3 ain't even out yet???

                    Some info you just have to disregard.

                    Seriously. PS4? Can you say 5 years from now?

                    My God, you gotta love the media.
                    I am taking a wait and see approach with the PS3. However, it seems strange that they would talk about their next machine not having BR. It's one thing for a new game machine in five years, it's another to introduce a new media format and not push it for the long run. The next wave of machines will probably be digital distribution....but why introduce BR then only to change formats five years down the road?
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                    • Rodster
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5709

                      #1495
                      Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                      Originally posted by Spongedaddy
                      I am taking a wait and see approach with the PS3. However, it seems strange that they would talk about their next machine not having BR. It's one thing for a new game machine in five years, it's another to introduce a new media format and not push it for the long run. The next wave of machines will probably be digital distribution....but why introduce BR then only to change formats five years down the road?
                      I'm glad someone said this.

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                      • Ice Cream Truck
                        Money Makin' Sonny
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 2200

                        #1496
                        Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                        OK There's one thing I don't understand with about that logic.

                        Why does PS4 need a BluRay drive? I mean in 5 years MANY people will have a PS3, so that means that many people PLUS those out there that will buy a standalone player will have a Blu-Ray player. So, why would Sony 1. waste money putting a Bluray drive in the next machine, and 2. Drive of the price of the next machine by adding a blu-ray drive.

                        ???

                        I gotta ask it again...

                        Why would Sony add a Blu-Ray drive to PS4 when people will already have one??? Look how many people have a PS2! Once PS3 drops lower in price, it'll get to the level of PS2 in sales. I mean look at the potential of the machine!

                        In 5 years, Blu ray wouldn't need PS4's support. It will have either flopped or blew up.
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                        • CaptainZombie
                          Brains
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 37851

                          #1497
                          Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                          Originally posted by Ice Cream Truck
                          OK There's one thing I don't understand with about that logic.

                          Why does PS4 need a BluRay drive? I mean in 5 years MANY people will have a PS3, so that means that many people PLUS those out there that will buy a standalone player will have a Blu-Ray player. So, why would Sony 1. waste money putting a Bluray drive in the next machine, and 2. Drive of the price of the next machine by adding a blu-ray drive.

                          ???

                          I gotta ask it again...

                          Why would Sony add a Blu-Ray drive to PS4 when people will already have one??? Look how many people have a PS2! Once PS3 drops lower in price, it'll get to the level of PS2 in sales. I mean look at the potential of the machine!

                          In 5 years, Blu ray wouldn't need PS4's support. It will have either flopped or blew up.
                          In 5-6 years if Blu-Ray is still around, it should be cheap enough so it can be placed into the PS4. But no, Sony will introduce yet another format by the time the PS4 sees the day of light.
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                          • Spongedaddy
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 2030

                            #1498
                            Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                            Originally posted by candyman56
                            In 5-6 years if Blu-Ray is still around, it should be cheap enough so it can be placed into the PS4. But no, Sony will introduce yet another format by the time the PS4 sees the day of light.
                            Exactly. We are not talking about hardware, we are talking about a format. It sounds like Sony doesn't really believe in the staying power of their format. The format wars have cost companies dearly (just ask those behind the betamax and divx players) and one needs a lot of staying power to make a format last a long time. It seems like digital distribution is the way to go, but Sony pushes BR big time one day and brushes it off for the "PS4" another day. I would normally chalk this up to the silly talking heads that run the company, but once again format wars can wind up costing the losers dearly.
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                            • Ice Cream Truck
                              Money Makin' Sonny
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 2200

                              #1499
                              Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                              I still don't understand why they need to put BluRay on PS4. It'd wouldn't help bluray at all.
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                              • Misfit
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                                • Mar 2003
                                • 5766

                                #1500
                                Re: Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

                                Originally posted by candyman56
                                In 5-6 years if Blu-Ray is still around, it should be cheap enough so it can be placed into the PS4. But no, Sony will introduce yet another format by the time the PS4 sees the day of light.
                                They won't need it in the PS4 because the PS3 is the machine that is supposed to sell the Blu Ray player. While I agree with everyone who said the comment made by dim-wit Phil was stupid (since people are going to take it the wrong way), it was a comment that was made in response to the change in how media is distributed to the public. He envisions that by the time the next wave of consoles hit that games will be distributed via download (in response to the popularity of iTunes and the Xbox Live Marketplace). Since this guy isn't paid to design hardware for Sony I wouldn't think much of anything he has to say on that front. I would also suggest that his vision is inaccurate since whatever follows the PS3 will likely be backwards compatible like all the versions previous and therefore will likely have a disc drive of some kind (either that or it will have a massive storage device, which seems likely either way). There's no doubt in my mind that many people here want to see the PS3 fail for whatever reason which is the only reason why this article is even getting any attention.

                                If Sony really felt like their Blu Ray player was doomed at this point they wouldn't release it, plain and simple. The topic is moot anyways since the success of the PS3 is not dependent on the success of Blu Ray, but the other way around. And I myself am skepticle of Blu Ray's (and HD-DVD's, for that mater) staying power since I don't get a sense of consumer outcry for a superior medium to view movies and such on. The only way I feel that Blu Ray succeeds is if people who buy a PS3 support it. The early returns on Blu Ray isn't favorable but take a look at the first DVD's. They contained poor picture quality compared with the titles we have today and many were dual layered (I bet no one misses those DVD's). If PS3 owners do not buy Blu Ray discs or if the PS3 is a huge flop all together then Blu Ray will likely follow the path of Beta Max.

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