Shooting at Virginia Tech

[ehh]

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Definitely the kid from the top pic of the two that were posted a few pages ago.

[Kelverin]

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Yeah but did this guy play video games?

I don't know, but it looks like he played basketball. Lets ban that. I got an idea, lets ban crazy people.

[fishepa]

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He looks scary.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I think it's a domestic issue pumped up the nth degree... This has nothing to do with video games IMO, and fools that push their agenda are just looking to get their name in the press and that's it.

[LBzrule]

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I think it's a domestic issue pumped up the nth degree... This has nothing to do with video games IMO, and fools that push their agenda are just looking to get their name in the press and that's it.

That's what irritates me. Someone using an event like this to jump on their personal soap box to say see, I told you so.

[Rocky]

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I think it's a domestic issue pumped up the nth degree... This has nothing to do with video games IMO, and fools that push their agenda are just looking to get their name in the press and that's it.

I agree. We don't know enough about this situation to say that video games are even remotely close to this situation. That said, I do think video games could make kids somewhat more efficient at doing something like this and become desensitized to it. I don't even look at over the top video games like GTA or Saints Row, but some video games out there are so realistic about how to go about shooting people, it's pretty crazy.

One of my friends was talking about how he could stash small automatic weapons somewhere, pull the fire alarm or give a bomb threat, get the automatic weapon, go to the roof, and start mowing people down........terrible, but apparently he got the idea from a video game.

[SidVish]

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I think it's a domestic issue pumped up the nth degree... This has nothing to do with video games IMO, and fools that push their agenda are just looking to get their name in the press and that's it.

But what do you make of this note found in his room? It definitely seems like it's more than a domestic issue.

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans” on campus.

[GBrushTWood]

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I think the mass shooting spree at the engineering hall (Norris, I believe) could have been prevented with some increased awareness and communication following the initial dorm room shootings.

Here's why:

Clearly Seung-Hui had premeditated intentions for violence upon entering the residence hall (he was packing). It is believed that Hilscher and Seung-Hui had some type of relationship, possibly romantic in nature, although this is not confirmed (I'm sure this type of detail will trickle in over the next few days). It is also possible that Hilscher didn't even know Seung-Hui, and that she may have been a stalking obsession for him. She may have never even spoken to Seung-Hui. In his mind, they could have been lovers. We just don't know these details yet.

If one connects the dots though, it is conceivable to think that Seung-Hui had found out some piece of information about Hilscher that caused him to become enraged. This could be him founding out she hooked up with some other dude (the black RA dude) or some other dude. We'll find this detail out once they run the DNA tests on her bedsheets or underwear and see who it matches with. It could also be something else, maybe even something trivial such as "Sorry, can't hang out with you tonight."
Whatever it is, this information was the impetus for the confrontation in Hilscher's dorm room. A snapping point if you will, which is apparent in all these psycho killing sprees. Once the RA got involved, the confrontation escalated to violence, and Seung-Hui killed both of them with the gun he was packing.

Personally, I believe he was only holding one gun, because if he had multiple guns at that point, why not just go postal in the dorm? Of course, this is just my speculation, and I could be wrong.

Now here's the part where I think the ugly round two shootings could have been prevented: Gunshots create a very loud noise. These alleged shootings of Hilscher and Clark occurred at approximately 7-something AM. Most college people are sleeping at this point.Wouldn't a lot of nearby residents hear the gunshots? Furthermore, wouldn't these people try to take a peep out their front door peephole to see who might be walking by?

If even one person had correctly identified Seung-Hui as he left the first murder scene, it would have greatly increased the chances of apprehending him walking from the murder scene dorm back to his dorm. These neighboring residents dropped the ball IMO. Also, isn't there a front desk proctor at most dorms? Wouldn't such a person notice a flustered, stressed out dude leaving the building?

Basically, my point is that I find it difficult to believe that nobody saw this guy leave the first murder scene and walk all the way back to his dorm room so he could load up even more. Shooting and killing 2 people is an extremely stressful, heart-racing thing to do, so unless this guy had absolute ice in his veins and was acting if nothing had happened, somebody should have noticed him leaving.

There were two hours between the first and second shootings. If somebody (or something) had noticed every person leaving that residence hall after the first murders occurred, Seung-Hui could have been somehow apprehended.

It may sound as if I am trying to place blame here, but I am not. Seung-Hui pulled the trigger, he is guilty for all his actions and on a personal level I hope he is *** raped by Satan's prickly pricked minions in hell. I'm just saying that increased awareness could have limited the scale of death that occurred.

[Skerik]

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But what do you make of this note found in his room? It definitely seems like it's more than a domestic issue.

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans” on campus.

I disagree with the theory that this is just a "domestic issue" gone wild. I think it's the opposite - that the true intent of the day was the classroom rampage and he decided he might as well kill his (ex?)girlfriend that morning while he was at it. Nobody becomes so unhinged by a domestic issue that they return to their room, gather up all kinds of weapons and ammo that they just had lying around, including chains to fasten the doors of classrooms shut, and then go on a mass murdering rampage.

That's just far fetched. If anything, it looks like the girlfriend was the afterthought, not vice versa.

[Skerik]

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GBrushTWood:

All accounts of the shooter, during the shootings, are that he did have ice water running in his veins. People have described him as completely calm and cool, so it's not hard to believe that nobody would have noticed him leaving the dorm.

[fishepa]

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This kind of event has never occurred ever in the history of the US. You cannot prepare for an event like this.

[Coach Bryant]

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Agenda? To want to NOT see massacre after massacre...to NOT see some coward shoot 33 people because guns give him courage...

If that's my 'agenda', I'll live with it.

Here's the thing also mate...in gunless societies, break and enter guys VERY rarely have guns. You can check Australian and British Police records if you want. I happen to have pretty good inside knowledge on that.

So...there's less threat as offenders aren't all carrying guns.

What would I do? I had a guy try and come into one place I was at once...I smashed him over the head with a cricket bat and he ran off...

If I'd had a gun...he'd of been dead. If he'd had a gun, maybe I'd be dead.

Neither of us did...so we both lived on.

Welcome to the "modern" world! Hey...wait a minute! I've got an idea! Why don't we ban guns, video games, violent movies, knives, cars (they can be used as a weapon.), any product that can be used in making a bomb, rocks, and sticks, etc. Then maybe we will live in a safe world.

Once again, drugs are illegal in the US. Do you really think you would have any trouble buying any if you wanted them? They'll never get all of the drugs or guns off the streets of America. Once again, welcome to the "modern" world. Thats the reason why I carry personal protection.

[The C]

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I disagree with the theory that this is just a "domestic issue" gone wild. I think it's the opposite - that the true intent of the day was the classroom rampage and he decided he might as well kill his (ex?)girlfriend that morning while he was at it. Nobody becomes so unhinged by a domestic issue that they return to their room, gather up all kinds of weapons and ammo that they just had lying around, including chains to fasten the doors of classrooms shut, and then go on a mass murdering rampage.

That's just far fetched. If anything, it looks like the girlfriend was the afterthought, not vice versa.

Might want to add that he had guns with the serial numbers filed off.

Either he filed them off himself; or he bought some black market guns. Either way he had this planned out.

[SidVish]

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I disagree with the theory that this is just a "domestic issue" gone wild. I think it's the opposite - that the true intent of the day was the classroom rampage and he decided he might as well kill his (ex?)girlfriend that morning while he was at it. Nobody becomes so unhinged by a domestic issue that they return to their room, gather up all kinds of weapons and ammo that they just had lying around, including chains to fasten the doors of classrooms shut, and then go on a mass murdering rampage.

That's just far fetched. If anything, it looks like the girlfriend was the afterthought, not vice versa.

I agree with your thoughts. If it was a domestic issue the shootings would've ended with the death of the girlfriend and/or with the person she was supposedly cheating. He meticulously loaded up on ammo and chained the doors shut in order to kill as many people as possible. This was definitely premeditated.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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There's no telling how many times he's ran through this scenario in his head and probably "practiced" it around the campus...he knew exactly what he was doing and it showed, probably why he was so calm and calculating.

And the entire blaming video games and our culture excuse is beyond old...it was during Columbine and it is now. I guess it's time for 50 Cent, horror movies, and anything remotely violent to line up...they'll surely be next in the blame game.