Custom Tactics Discussion

[SpritePuck]

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Forwards and Strikers will stay forward when told...

Wings not so much and CAM's better than wings but nothing like forwards.

Squeeze your wings in just a shade and make them wide forwards and they will stay forward. And if you set the positioning tactic to stay central they will still go wide when they should and come in when they should.

CDM's are weird (or this is what I see happening) what happens is a mid will stay back but your mids play total football regardless if you want them to or not. So, yes a mid will stay back as a holding CDM... but good look getting your actual CDM and other mids to keep shape so the right one stays back. I literally changed my formation and got rid of the CDM because this is so frustrating. If you have two CDM's one is always gonna go forward and which one is a guess.... You can set one to stay back and the other to get forward but again they will play total football and swap places and stuff all game long.

[SpritePuck]

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This I just found out and tested it a ton and it is true. If you set pass error higher in sliders the CPU does not miss more easy passes but instead tries more high risk/reward passes. I was shocked but it is true. They will bomb the ball down the field everytime they touch it if you go to high on the pass error slider.

Anyhow others probs knew this but I just learned it. Higher pass error removes or limits tiki taka play by the CPU and unless you go crazy they still are pretty efficient.

[RoyceDa59]

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Forwards and Strikers will stay forward when told...

Wings not so much and CAM's better than wings but nothing like forwards.

Squeeze your wings in just a shade and make them wide forwards and they will stay forward. And if you set the positioning tactic to stay central they will still go wide when they should and come in when they should.

CDM's are weird (or this is what I see happening) what happens is a mid will stay back but your mids play total football regardless if you want them to or not. So, yes a mid will stay back as a holding CDM... but good look getting your actual CDM and other mids to keep shape so the right one stays back. I literally changed my formation and got rid of the CDM because this is so frustrating. If you have two CDM's one is always gonna go forward and which one is a guess.... You can set one to stay back and the other to get forward but again they will play total football and swap places and stuff all game long.

Good observation, I haven't noticed this yet and will have to try it out. It is a shame you can't just have two CDM just sit back and defend Southampton style. But I can't believe that CM will stay back more than a CDM, that is crazy FIFA logic lol.

[talucchesi]

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Forwards and Strikers will stay forward when told...

Wings not so much and CAM's better than wings but nothing like forwards.

Squeeze your wings in just a shade and make them wide forwards and they will stay forward. And if you set the positioning tactic to stay central they will still go wide when they should and come in when they should.

CDM's are weird (or this is what I see happening) what happens is a mid will stay back but your mids play total football regardless if you want them to or not. So, yes a mid will stay back as a holding CDM... but good look getting your actual CDM and other mids to keep shape so the right one stays back. I literally changed my formation and got rid of the CDM because this is so frustrating. If you have two CDM's one is always gonna go forward and which one is a guess.... You can set one to stay back and the other to get forward but again they will play total football and swap places and stuff all game long.

You don't have to tell RF LF's to stay forward they automatically will. There is no option to do so.

The problem with changing them to Forwards rather than wingers is that they will never start wide, just make runs wide, which is annoying for me. Especially since I start Messi at RAM so he'll occasionally play in the midfield. But he'll NEVER stay back. Really frustrating

The CDM staying back is much better than last year, but yea you're right on everything else.

[TheAwesomeGem]

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As I mentioned before, I was trying to get them to work in 15 until a few months ago, so I'll definitely keep messing around with it in hopes something clicks.

Hoping in a patch we see something like "Addressed issue with custom tactics not working correctly", or something similar.

The thing is, no one reported as a bug. I doubt they know.

[Krebstar]

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This I just found out and tested it a ton and it is true. If you set pass error higher in sliders the CPU does not miss more easy passes but instead tries more high risk/reward passes. I was shocked but it is true. They will bomb the ball down the field everytime they touch it if you go to high on the pass error slider.

Anyhow others probs knew this but I just learned it. Higher pass error removes or limits tiki taka play by the CPU and unless you go crazy they still are pretty efficient.

What formation, instructions and tactics were you using?

I put the pass error on 100, and while they hit it long a few times, they still wouldn't do it with any regularity. I was using 4-4-2 with the forwards set to make runs behind.

[Santi]

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man I can't believe they had it working for the demo and lost it for the main game, must've been some programming change which had an unnoticed effect on the AI decisions. so disappointing

[SpritePuck]

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You don't have to tell RF LF's to stay forward they automatically will. There is no option to do so.

The problem with changing them to Forwards rather than wingers is that they will never start wide, just make runs wide, which is annoying for me. Especially since I start Messi at RAM so he'll occasionally play in the midfield. But he'll NEVER stay back. Really frustrating

The CDM staying back is much better than last year, but yea you're right on everything else.

True... sorry they do stay forward auto. I play with three forwards and RF and LF start wide for me. I think they do this because I have a LCM and RCM set to keep position and get forward. Thus they push the wide forwards out wide to keep them from occupying the same space. Also I build up slow from the back, thus by the time my forwards get touches my mids are up, I rarely counter.. Thus meaning someone has to hold wide as I have five players attacking. It also maybe is partly do to playing a CF and not a ST. Regardless, I understand why it does not work for you, with Messi.

I agree with Messi playing him as a forward does not let him free roam like he does IRL. It does seem the AM is the best but he will drop back and sometimes a lot.

[SpritePuck]

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What formation, instructions and tactics were you using?

I put the pass error on 100, and while they hit it long a few times, they still wouldn't do it with any regularity. I was using 4-4-2 with the forwards set to make runs behind.

I set pass error and shot error at 60 for CPU and was playing against Chelsea, whatever their tactics are to begin with. I did not edit their formation (and I do not think I can as it is in MM), tactics or instructions. It seems to me they passed more long balls and played less tiki taka. They run a 4-5-1 and played the ball into the box quite a lot. Plus Matíc was taking long shots. They won 3-1, though I am West Brom so that should happen.

I play with my sliders all just at 50 and all other CPU sliders at 50... This was World Class Slow. About to play another game and will post if it seems they are crossing and playing the ball long more than before.

No team will make tons of long passes against me as I keep Three CBs back. And play possesion style to prevent counters.

I use a 5-3-2 that is actually a 3-4-3 but I drop the ST back to be a CAM giving me a CAM and two forwards upfront. Then drop the LM and RM back to be wing backs set to always overlap. I play defensive first and possesion style. I think this may make the CPU do less long balls but they do shoot from outside the box a ton! Of course this is partially because I have three CB and two wing backs and then the two CMs crowding them out of the box.

It maybe was just placebo and maybe the pass error does not make them pass long more. Matt from here was who suggested it. I know the shot error made them shoot more and from places teams had not shot before against me. I will keep using it and see if it was just a one off thing.

[SpritePuck]

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Good observation, I haven't noticed this yet and will have to try it out. It is a shame you can't just have two CDM just sit back and defend Southampton style. But I can't believe that CM will stay back more than a CDM, that is crazy FIFA logic lol.

Yep, it is goofy. I had a LCM and RCM and CDM set the two to Always Get Forward. Set the CDM to always stay back. One of the three would stay back but it would changes as they did the total football thing and if my CDM passed to the LCM he would make a forwad run (not instructed or button keyed) and thus the RCM would drop back and basically become the CDM. The issue here is unless you have three equal CMs who can all attack and all hold and defend this does not work. For example I do not want McCarthy to make runs and Barkley to drop back in his place... It is just screwy logic.

And yeah two CDMs staying back is pretty much (unless someone knows something I do not) impossible. You can tell them both to Always Stay Back and at least one is going to go attack.

If anyone sees something different let me know how to do it.

[talucchesi]

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True... sorry they do stay forward auto. I play with three forwards and RF and LF start wide for me. I think they do this because I have a LCM and RCM set to keep position and get forward. Thus they push the wide forwards out wide to keep them from occupying the same space. Also I build up slow from the back, thus by the time my forwards get touches my mids are up, I rarely counter.. Thus meaning someone has to hold wide as I have five players attacking. It also maybe is partly do to playing a CF and not a ST. Regardless, I understand why it does not work for you, with Messi.

I agree with Messi playing him as a forward does not let him free roam like he does IRL. It does seem the AM is the best but he will drop back and sometimes a lot.

Yea, he plays nearly perrrrrfectly in the RAM spot. He'll even drift wide often despite there not being an instruction to do so. The problem is he ALWAYS comes back on defense

[fernadez]

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Not sure if I'm going mad or not, but are custom tactics working now, played a friendly v Hull street changing their tactics and they played the most long balls I've seen since the demo.

Loads more crosses as well.

[Krebstar]

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Not sure if I'm going mad or not, but are custom tactics working now, played a friendly v Hull street changing their tactics and they played the most long balls I've seen since the demo.

Loads more crosses as well.

Live rosters? What difficulty, default sliders, and custom tactics?

Just tried and didn't see anything changed, and there hasn't been any patch as of yet.

[fernadez]

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Live rosters? What difficulty, default sliders, and custom tactics?

Just tried and didn't see anything changed, and there hasn't been any patch as of yet.

I got a message about my save file not being synced with cloud, I chose to do so and when I loaded up the game my edited team sheet had gone.

Have it on Legendary, slightly altered sliders yes and all I changed was Hull's custom tactics. Had to go to work so it was only a quick game but I'm going to load it up again now.

I'm sure their formation had changed as well before they were playing 442 but when I went to their team sheet it had them in a 532, so I think the rosters have updated.

Maybe and probably it was a one off, loading it up now anyway.

[fernadez]

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Right, something is definitely happening, don't know if it's just Hull or not but something is working.

I switched both their strikers to Get In Behind, on the tactics I have from top to bottom starting with Speed:

80
92
Organised
90
80
56
Organised
38
37
46
Cover
56

Long balls are being pinged for the forwards over the top (who are actually making the runs) and loads of crosses going in.

Sliders
50/50
50/50
51/51
60/60
49/49
37/32
75/80
40/40
15/15
50/50
15/45
60/55
45/48
52/48
60/60
85/85

By the way, the only way I've found to keep my CDM relatively in position was to decrease my line length and run frequency, also as soon as I put the cpu run frequency back to 50, they started playing more forward passes and less tiki, this was even before Hull playing rugby against me today.