Playmakers Classic 90s Roster for Xbox One

[flatscan]

too bad the NFL wanted nothing to do with him. he was even second runner up to the Heisman. I have some player ratings for him on Madden but I don't know how accurate they are, I think 77 Over might be a bit high lol

[tommycoa]

Quote: Originally Posted by flatscan

too bad the NFL wanted nothing to do with him. he was even second runner up to the Heisman. I have some player ratings for him on Madden but I don't know how accurate they are, I think 77 Over might be a bit high lol

I’ll try to fire up ncaa 14 and compare mine and playmakers creations of Frazier and pass them on to you. He had an all time roster on there and I had one that was for 1980 to 2015 i think.

[Armor and Sword]

Quote: Originally Posted by flatscan

too bad the NFL wanted nothing to do with him. he was even second runner up to the Heisman. I have some player ratings for him on Madden but I don't know how accurate they are, I think 77 Over might be a bit high lol

Funny...they would today with the advent of RPO offenses. Just played in the wrong era for his skill set.

[tommycoa]

FULL LIST OF FREE AGENT QBS

80-Donovan McNabb-Syracuse (Age 25)
80-Jim Everett-Purdue (Age 29)
79-Rich Gannon-Delaware (Age 34) XFACTOR
78-Jeff George-Illinois (Age 31)
76-Dante Culpepper-UCF (Age 25)
76-Dave Krieg (Age 38)
74-Chris Chandler-Oregon (Age 31)
73-Jeff Garcia-San Jose St (Age 29)
72-Doug Flutie-Boston College (Age 40)
72-Elvis Grbac-Michigan (Age 29)
71-Tim Couch-Kentucky (Age 24)
71-Charlie Ward-FSU (Age 24) Opted for the NBA
70-Jeff Blake-ECU (Age 27)
70-Aaron Brooks-Virginia (Age 23)
68-Rob Johnson-USC (Age 26)
67-Kelly Holcomb-Middle Tennessee St (age 26)
67-Hugh Millen-Washington (age 28)
65-Charlie Batch-E.Michigan (age 23)
65-Gus Frerotte-Tulsa (age 24)
64-Wade Wilson-TX A&M Commerce (age 38)
64-David Klinger-Houston (age 26)
61-Major Harris-West Virginia (age 28)
59-Alex Van Pelt-Pittsburgh (age 25)
59-Tommie Frazier-Nebraska (age 26) Medical
59-Rick Mirer-Notre Dame (age 26)
58-Ryan Leaf-Washington St (age 24)
58-Heath Shuler-Tennessee (age 25)
58-Danny Wuerffel-Florida (age 25)
58-Danny Kanell-FSU (age 24)
58-Todd Marinovich-USC (age 23) *Lefty
57-Cade McNown-UCLA (age 23) *Lefty
57-Akili Smith-Oregon (age 24)
55-Dan McGwire-San Diego State (age 25)
53-Clint Stoerner-Arkansas (age 25)
53-Michael Bishop-Kansas St (age 23)
52-Gino Torretta-Miami (age 23)
52-Tony Rice-Notre Dame (age 23)
46-Brook Berringer-Nebraska (age 24) Death
43-Wally Richardson-Penn St (age 24)

As you can see this list is quite extensive and it took me an entire week of research and editing to complete.

The QB position in Madden is the hardest to rate but I think the key is trying to create separation amongst the elite QBs compared to the average starters and backups.

These ratings fall in line with the rest of the league only HOF are in the 90's and then as you can see there is a tremendous drop off in the overall ratings amongst those guys, average starters and then the backups and free agents.

My goal was to create such a separation in the QBs that it would be very hard to win games relying heavily on a backup or free agent QB.

The difficult task for me was trying to make sure I stayed away from rating these guys like I did with the NCAA 14 Alumni rosters.

Most if not all of those guys were great in college but in the NFL 90% of them flamed out or didn't even play.

Having said all that I'm excited to get guys like Ward, Harris and Frazier finally on a Madden roster file.....

In fact this might be the only file out there that has these guys available for play.

I know some people might question why is Ward rated higher than Frazier and Harris.....

Well through my extensive research Tommie (my favorite college QB of all time) really struggled with his medical condition and by the time he worked out at the nfl combine he went from running a 4.5 to a 4.7 so he had lost some of his explosiveness and that scared teams off.

He went undrafted...

Harris ended up being a 12th round pick of the Raides in 1990 but failed to make the team. He struggled with accuracy and played several years in lower level leagues.

As for Ward he was projected to go between the 3rd and 6th round but he opted for the NBA. Ward differs from Frazier and Harris because while at FSU he actually played in a spread offense and had more experience and better accuracy than each of them. Ward hit on 69% of his passes doing his Heisman year and Doug Williams recently stated that Ward was more of a modern day Kyler Murray.

Now for those who some might have forgotten about you have guys like Mirer, Leaf, McNown, Marinovich, McGwire and Shuler who were all high 1st round picks that are labeled bust.

Both McNown and Marinovich are left handers took me forever to scan the rosters to find lefties to create them. McGwire is the tallest QB on the file at 6'8 for those who may not be familiar he's the younger brother of MLB star Mark McGwire.

Always wondered what happend to Klingler well apparently dude seperated his throwing shoulder multiple times and by his 3rd or 4th year in the league he went from being able to throw a ball 85 yards down to just 35 yards so his arm was shot after a few years.

Rich Gannon is an interesting guy. He was a journeyman up until when he joined the Raiders late in his career 1999. Then he just erupted into a 4 time Pro Bowler and led them to the Super Bowl. He was assigned Xfactor Superstar because of those accomplishments.

BTW Gannon might be the most shocking QB on this on File in terms of speed. Dude clocked a 4.52 at his combine workout and tested great on agility.

Two sleeper guys on this file will be Jeff Garcia and Doug Flutie. Remember they both hit the scene in the late 90s after spending extended time in the CFL and it didn't take them long to start winning in the NFL. They are both pretty mobile with high Motor Trait and really good awareness despite their mid 70's overall rating. Arm strength is what keeps them from being higher on the chart.

How about Gino Toretta, Tony Rice and Danny Wuerffel!!!!

Man those names really make you miss college ball in the 90's.....he'll I guess I should say it makes me football period in 90's imo the best era ever for the game.

Last but not least there is one special guy who I added despite him never stepping foot on a NFL field. That is Brook Berringer the former Nebraska QB who backed up Frazier but was still a crucial part that team. He died tragically in plane crash right before the NFL draft.

Berringer is on the file much like I did for Brandon Burlsworth who is on the 99 Colts.

NEXT UP FREE AGENT RBS

Looking forward to creating Tyrone Wheatley, R.Salaam, C.Ennis and L.Phillips to name a few

[tommycoa]

UPDATED LIST OF FREE AGENT RB'S ADDED TO THE FILE

Rating/Player Name/School/Age
92 Eric Dickerson-SMU Age 28 (The Prize Gem on the FA Market had one good year left in his tank NFL HOF)
87 Chris Warren-Ferrum Age 25
86 Stephen Davis-Auburn Age 25
86 Garrison Hearst-Georgia Age 27 (High Injury Risk FA Pro Bowler when Healthy)
84 Charlie Garner-Tennessee Age 28
83 Jamal "Dirty Bird" Anderson-Utah Age 25
83 Ricky Williams-Texas Age 23
82 Tiki Barber-Virginia Age 23
81 Corey Dillon-Washington Age 25
81 Herschel Walker-Georgia Age 30 (On the back of his Career but still has terrific straight line speed)
80 Dorsey Levens-Ga.Tech Age 29
79 Roger Craig-Nebraska Age 30 (Old Willy Vet has the highest Awareness rating amongst FA Rb's)
79 Terry Allen-Clemson Age 27
78 Duce Staley-S.Carolina Age 26
78 Tyrone Wheatley-Michigan Age 27
77 Rashaan Salaam-Colorado Age 27
77 Marcus DuPree-Oklahoma Age 27 (The Best that was never was....ran a unofficial 4.3 40 doing his comeback attempt)
77 Antowain Smith-Houston Age 23
77 Marion Butts-FSU Age 27
77 Bam Morris-Texas Tech Age 27
75 Kevin Faulk-LSU Age 21
75 Napoleon Kaufman-Washington Age 25
75 Barry "Bananas" Foster-Arkansas Age 26
75 Errict Rhett-Florida Age 27
74 Karim Abdul-Jabbar-UCLA Age 24 (Had an incredible 26 Rushing TD's in his 1st two years before flaming out)
73 Terrell Fletcher-Wisconsin Age 27
73 Cleveland Gary-Miami Age 28
73 Harvey Williams-LSU Age 28
72 Chuck Webb-Tennessee Age 25 (Opens up on IR hidden gem if healthy)
72 Olandis Gary-Georgia Age 24 (A poor man's Terrelle Davis)
72 Blair Thomas-Penn St Age 29 (Considered the 1st of the three Penn St Bust at RB)
71 Curtis Ennis-Penn St Age 22
71 Ki-Jana Carter-Penn St Age 29 (Banged up knees robbed him of explosiveness)
70 Amos Zereoue-West Virginia Age 25
70 Troy Davis-Iowa St Age 26
70 Lawrence Phillips-Nebraska Age 27 (Explosive RB but lacks awareness & assigned the undisciplined Trait)
67 Byron Hanspard-Texas Tech Age 23 (Burner on the FA market clocked a 4.41 at the 97 Combine)
66 Madre Hill-Arkansas Age 22
66 Joe Montgomery-Ohio St Age 22
66 De'Mond Parker-Oklahoma Age 25
66 John Avery-Ole Miss Age 23
66 Jerris McPhail-ECU Age 26
65 Rashaan Shehee-Washington Age 21
65 George Jones-UNLV Age 23
65 Pepe Pearson-Ohio St Age 22 (Undrafted)
65 June Henley-Kansas Age 25
65 Jamal Willis-BYU Age 24
65 Chris Darkins-Minnesota Age 27
65 Dennis Riddle-Alabama Age 25 (Undrafted)
63 Danyelle Ferguson-Miami Age 21 (Undrafted)
63 Chris Fuamatu-MaAfala-Utah Age 27
62 Sirr Parker-Texas A&M Age 21 (Still holds a unofficial Aggies school record 4.24 40 yard dash with a 40.5 inch vertical)
61 Ken Oxendine-Virginia Tech Age 21
60 Autry Denson-Notre Dame Age 22
60 Tremayne Stephens-N.C. State Age 24
57 Mike Cloud-Boston College Age 21
54-Sedrick Shaw-Iowa Age 24

Lots of Great College players from the 90's that didn't quite pan out in the NFL several of them due to injuries and you'll see those same guys with a very low injury rating on the file. Phillips still has the potential to be great in Madden if human controlled but he'll be very inconsistent if AI controlled which is what i was shooting for with him. He could take it 80 yards on one play and then go the next 5 carries without gaining a yard.

Marcus DuPree may not be very familiar to a lot of Madden players. He roamed in the USFL for a number of years before blowing out his knee. Made a short comeback with the Rams in 90 still had great speed but his knees continued to fail him.

Chris Warren IMO was the most underrated RB of the 90's. After Barry, Emmitt and Thurman doing that span between 90 to 94 Warren arguably was the 4th best RB in the League with Seattle.

Dickerson is rated on his last few Pro Bowl years with the Colts before he fell off early in the 90's but he gets HOF respect making him the only 90+ rated free agent RB. One of my Favorites is Terry Allen on the file. He had some big years in Washington after overcoming some injury riddled years in Minnesota that's why he's just at the cusp of that elusive 80 rating usually reserved for Pro Bowl type players on this file.

Last but not least I added the Following the QB's to the FA list since I didn't get them the 1st time around.

Beau Morgan from Air Force bounced around with the Cowboys a few years between 97-99 i believe he will be rated 47 overall worked out at RB doing the combine.
Corby Jones from Missouri also worked out at RB doing the Combine was projected to be a 6th or 7th round pick but went undrafted and ended up in the CFL with Montreal. He'll be rated 52 overall
Jim Dunkenmiller from Virginia Tech big strong kid at 6'5 240 was actually drafted by the 49ers in the 1st round of 97. He'll be a 55 overall only completed about 40% of his throws (21/52) doing his career.

Here's my CAP for Drunkenmiller i think i nailed him perfect

Pocket Passer (data taken from FBG & Draft Scout)
Speed-62
Strength-74
Agility-58
Accelerate-68

Throw Power-90
Throw Acc Short-76
Throw Acc Med-64since
Throw Acc Deep-70
Throw Under Pressure-70

NEXT UPDATE WILL BE FB'S & TE'S

[tommycoa]

Thanks buddy......I'm more hyped about creating the FA's than i was the actual team rosters LOL!

So many great college players from the 90's that I've been just going back and looking over my NCAA 14 Alumni rosters to help me remember who to add to the Madden 20 FA list.

Also someone from XBOX messenger requested a full game box score of these rosters in action to see what type of stats I'm getting. I don't do the youtube or twitch thing but I told them I'd share my last game results on OS if they want to check out how the rosters play out stats wise.

This is CPU vs CPU gameplay.

MY settings are ON Pro Level both Human & CPU sliders are the same......

12 Min QTR (15 Second Run Off)
25-Threshold
25-Injury
65-Fatigue

QBA-50
Pass Block-45
WR Catch-45
Fumble-65
Run Blk-90

Pass Reaction-5
INT-45
Coverage-45
Tackling-65

FG Power-65
FGA-35
PNT Power-35
PNT Acc-65
KO Power-51

Penalties Everything ON
Offside-99
Holding-70
Face Mask-50
Def PI-99
Block IN the Back-55
Rough The Passer-50

Last Matchup was a good game featuring Elite QB's Manning vs Warner and they didn't disappoint. Warner stretched the Field with a couple of deep shots including a beautiful 52 yard strike to Rookie WR Torey Holt who just blew by Tyrone Poole in Man coverage. Manning was quite the opposite; he had lots of checkdown throws with a few mid range targets. Edge was a beast in this game for the Colts he had 167 Total Yards from scrimmage on 30 touches out performing Faulk who missed most of the 1st half with an injury.

1999 LA Rams-30 At 1999 Indy Colts-27 (OT)

Scoring
3:57........1st QTR Vanderjadt 52 Yd FG (3-0 INDY)

11:56.......2nd QTR Warner Pass to Bruce 25 Yard TD (7-3 LA)
3:09.........2nd QTR Wilkins 31 Yd FG (10-3 LA)

8:02.........3rd QTR Manning Pass to Pathon 7 Yard TD (10-10)

12:00........4th QTR Warner Pass to Holt 52 Yard TD (17-10 LA)
9:02..........4th QTR Warner Pass to Faulk 4 yard TD (24-10 LA)
5:34..........4th QTR James 7 Yard TD Run (24-17 LA)
2:03..........4th QTR Manning Pass to E.G. Green 22 Yard TD (24-24)

2:28...........Overtime Warner Pass to Proehl for 2 Yard TD (30-24 LA)

Key note Wilkins missed a 52 yard FG for the Rams with 1:13 remaining in the 4th QTR and in OT on the opening drive the Colts Vanderjagt missed his 3rd FG of the game from 51 yards out. Following that missed Fg Torey Holt set up the Rams winning score with a 32 yard gain.

Game Stats

Passing
Rams
Warner-26/37-297 Yards & 4 TD's (Long of 52)

Colts
Manning-39/49-372 Yards, 2 TD's & 1 INT (Long of 32)

Rushing
Rams
Faulk-13-64 4.9 avg 1 FB (Briefly injured in the 1st half)
Holcombe-7-31 4.4 avg
Holt-1-32

Colts
James-20-117 5.8 avg, 1 TD, (21 Long)
Leeland McElroy-3-7 2.3 avg

Receiving
Rams
Bruce-8-94 11.7 avg, 1 TD (Long 25)
Holt-5-92 18.4, 1 TD (Long of 52)
Proehl-3-55 18.3 avg, 1-TD, (long of 29)
Roland Williams-5-35 7.0 avg
Conwell-1-11
Faulk-3-10

Colts
Dilger-6-98, 16.3 avg (Long of 32)
Jerome Pathon-8-89, 11.1 avg, 1-TD (Long of 25)
E.G. Green-3-50, 17.0 avg, 1-TD (long of 22)
James-10-50 (Long of 16)
Harrison-6-42
Terrence Wilkins-5-38

Defense
Rams
London Fletcher-17 Tackles, 12 solo
Billy Jenkins-11 Tackles, 7 Assisted
Keith Lyle-7 tackles
Leonard Little-2.5 Sacks
Kevin Carter-1 sack
Rich Coady-1 INT

Colts
Ellis Johnson-9 Tackles, 5 Assisted, 2.0 sacks
Chad Cota-9 Tackles
Cornelius Bennett-9 Tackles
Mike Barber-7 Tackles
Bertrand Berry-1 FF

Kicking
Rams
Wilkins-1/2 (Long 31)

Colts
Vanderjagt-1/4 (Long 52) He had two misses hit the crossbar

[tommycoa]

Playmakers sent me another boxscore. I think this Is cpu/cpu, where he watches the action without touching the controller.

Got in another game between the 99 Titans and 98 Cardinals

Titans won 27-10 comp % seemed really spot on with McNair and Plummer. I'll try to add a video later showing a brief clip of the 1st QTR

Here are the Stats

Scoring Summary
1st Qtr
TEN-McNair, 6 YD Run, 1:51 (7-0)

2nd Qtr
TEN-Del Greco, 39 Yd FG, 9:59 (10-0)

3rd Qtr
AZ-Nedney, 18 Yd FG, 5:55 (10-3)
TEN-D.Mason, 4 Yd Pass From McNair, 3:34 (17-3)

4th Qtr
TEN-Del Greco, 18 Yd FG, 8:24 (20-3)
AZ-Fred Brock 35 YD From Plummer, 5:32 (17-10)
TEN-D. Mitchell, Returned INT 25 Yd's, 2:13 (27-10)

Player Stats

PASSING
AZ-Jake Plummer 21/34-233 61% 1-TD, 1-INT (Long 35)

TEN-Air McNair 15/25-216 60%, 1-TD, 0-INT (Long 46)

RUSHING
AZ
Murrell 9-41 4.5 avg, (Long 11)
Centers-6-19, 3.1 avg
Plummer-3-20, 6.6 avg

TEN
George 18-80, 4.4 avg, (Long 28)
Thomas-6-7, 1.1 avg
McNair-4-31, 7.7 avg, 1-TD (Long 16)

RECEIVING
AZ
McWilliams-7-64 9.1 avg, (Long 18)
Michael Pittman-5-64, 12.8 avg, (Long 29)
Frank Sanders-4-49, 12.2 avg, (Long 26)
Moore-2-17, 8.5 avg
Brock-1-35, 1-TD

TEN
D.Mason-6-80, 13.3 avg, 1-TD (Long 46)
K.Dyson-4-64, 16.0 avg, (Long 21)
Wycheck-2-36, 18.0, (Long 21)
Chris Sanders-1-17
George-1-10

DEFENSE
AZ
Pat Tillman-10 TKL, 1.0 SCK
Aeneas Williams-8 TKL
Ronald McKinnon-8 TKL
Jamir Miller-8 TKL
Swann-1 SCK

TEN
Blaine Bishop-6 TKL
Wortham-6 TKL
Bowden-5 TKL, 1 SCK
Javon Kearse-4 TKL
Henry Ford-2 SCK
Donald Mitchell-1 INT, 1 TD

KICKING
AZ-Nedney 1/2 (Long 18)

TEN-Del Greco 2/2 (Long 40)

A couple Teams Stats Tenn won the TOP 24.39 to 23:21 and on 3rd Down Titans were 6/12 50% vs Cardinals 4-13 30%

Going to send you the Updated List of FA FB's shortly

[tommycoa]

UPDATED LIST OF FA FB'S ADDED TO FILE

RATING/PLAYER NAME/SCHOOL/AGE
84-Tony Richardson-Auburn-Age 28 (Undrafted in 94 turned himself into 3x Pro Bowler)
82-William "Bar None" Floyd-FSU-Age 25
81-John L. Williams-Florida-Age 26
81-Fred Beasley-Auburn-Age 22
81-"Touchdown" Tommy Vardell-Stanford-Age 26
81-Williams Henderson-North Carolina-Age 25
80-Kimble Anders-Houston-Age 30
79- Merril Hodge-Idaho St-Age 29
79-Donell Bennett-Miami-Age 27
78-Bob Christian-Northwestern-Age 28
78-Cory Shlesinger-Nebraska-Age 26
76-Jarrod Bunch-Michigan-Age 24
74-Terry Kirby-Virginia-Age 28
73-Jon Ritchie-Stanford-Age 24
72-Zach Crockett-FSU-Age 26
70-Joel Macovicka-Nebraska-Age 25
70-Ray Zellers-Notre Dame-Age 26
70-Travis Jervey-Citadel-Age 28
68-Marc Edwards-Notre Dame-Age 23
65-Brock Olivo-Missouri-Age 26

Key Notes on FB

Terry Kirby is actually locked into the Pats rosters on IR. He never played for the Pats so he'll need to be released to the FA pool if you get into franchise mode. The game doesn't allow it doing initial roster editing.

Tommy Vardell is one of my favorite players from the old Bill Walsh NCAA Football series, The Nickname "Touchdown Tommy" was given to him by former Stanford/Minnesota Coach Denny Green in College. Vardell was also the starting FB in 97-98 when Barry Sanders rushed for 2053 yards.

Tony Richardson is a guy who gets lost in time. He was undrafted out of Auburn in 94 and turned himself into a 3x Pro Bowl Player

Jarrod Bunch had his career cut short with the Giants due to a major knee injury. An interesting combination would be to get Bunch and pair him up with former Wolverine Tyrone Wheatley who ironically both played for the Giants. Bunch clocked a 4.50 coming out of college and had a incredible 29 bench reps

Another interesting guy is John L. Williams out of Florida he formed a terrific tandem in Seattle with Chris Warren in the early 90's. He's a do it all type of FB can catch, run and block.

Small School guy Travis Jervey from Citadel was a 5th round pick of the Packers. Impressed scouts with 4.3 40 yard dash. He finished 4th back in 96 doing the NFL fastest man competition. Jervey was the 1st Packers in franchise history to make the Pro Bowl as a Special teams Player. He will have the highest acceleration rating (92) of all FB's on the entire file.

Of the 20 FB's created you'll see some great balance amongst Blocking types like Floyd, Makovica, Scheslinger and Ritchie to versatile pass catching types like Anders and Williams.