User Pass Coverage Slider doesn't work

[DeuceDouglas]

As I've been playing I've been having a lot fun but my biggest gripe so far has been the user coverage. No matter what I would call or do to the settings I was still getting torched. Played on All-Madden on 100 for pass coverage and All-Pro with it at 100 and was still getting way too many scenarios where my guys were pretty much useless in coverage. It seemed like the only way I'd get stops is because of their QB's throwing inaccurate passes to open receivers or completing passes short of the first down, very rarely because my defense actually made a play that wasn't a sack.

I went into practice and ran some tests and have pretty much confirmed that the slider is either not working at all, or working so minimally that the difference is negligible. I had the CPU run the same route in man coverage against Sean Smith who has 85 or 87 for man coverage and on there was no difference between 0 and 100. The part that confirmed it even further was when I pushed it down to Rookie with 100 pass coverage and the coverage was identical, the only difference being CPU QB would miss the pass sometimes. I switched sides and ran the same play against the CPU on 0 and their coverage looked just like mine did but when I turned it up to 100 the CPU was jumping the route and the coverage was much, much tighter. Even on Rookie the CPU coverage was really tight but there were more times where it'd breakdown.

I sent a video to Clint Oldenburg showing these issues so hopefully this can get fixed soon. I'm going to keep testing with some other routes and with zones but that's a bit more tedious than my initial test. Regardless of if the slider is actually working or not, if it is, it's not working nearly enough as it should and isn't working enough to be noticeable.

[timsara]

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An updates on the pass coverage being fixed

[schnaidt1]

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pass coverage is zone coverage....interceptions is man coverage.....take that into account

[phillyfan23]

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pass coverage is zone coverage....interceptions is man coverage.....take that into account

that's interesting....

i raised both user/cpu pass coverage to 75, and have stuck with 40 interceptions and I do notice better defense and more of the cpu going downfield with medium and long passés.

I tried to lower the interceptions to 20 and the cpu was back to dink and dunking.

currently i have QB accuracy 5 , pass coverage 75, and int 40

last game I held cam newton to under 200 yards passing and 13/30 completion, and some shots down the field.

next game i will try both int and pass coverage to 65 and see how it is....

what's pass reaction slider do then you think??

[schnaidt1]

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thats why they go deep....u dont go deep against zone...and if they can beat man they will take a shot


pass reaction seems to be pass rush and reaction to pass or run

[The JareBear]

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pass coverage is zone coverage....interceptions is man coverage.....take that into account

Is this fact or theory at this point? First time hearing this and now I want to test it

[RumbleCard]

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Its still a bit theory and the reason why is that most of these sliders are affecting other aspects of the game.

There are a few that I have independently tested like CPU fumble. When raised it will cause the CPU RB to play more aggressive.

Defensive pass interference effects DB/WR separation. The higher the rating the greater the separation.

There have been mixed results with the Intentional Grounding slider but my tests have shown the CPU QB will release quicker and make faster choices with that slider set to 0.

Basically the sliders are all intertwined and jacked. Leaving a lot of us chasing placebo effects and trying to find what works and what doesn't...and why.

Its that bad, and like last year I don't expect EA to acknowledge the problem. Over the last 3 years it has just gotten worse and worse.

I can't even begin to imagine how good this game could be if the sliders worked and did exactly what they are supposed to do.

[RumbleCard]

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If someone has the time it would be nice if someone compiled a list of these "theories" or findings and post it in the main forum. In my opinion this is the biggest issue within the game and it would be nice if there was some exposure to go along with it.

There is something clearly wrong with these sliders. Either by design or by bad code.

It just rips away at how could this game really could be.

[The JareBear]

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Good post rumble, I agree that the sliders are a Frankenstein of coding that I think even EA doesn't know how to fix

[Gotmadskillzson]

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There are a few that I have independently tested like CPU fumble. When raised it will cause the CPU RB to play more aggressive.

Say what ????

[RumbleCard]

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Say what ????

LOL that's what I said. Then I jacked CPU fumble up to 75 and the CPU RB was spinning, juking and fighting for yards.

It also created more...not less fumbles. I suppose from being more aggressive.

Right now I have CPU fumble at 61 and CPU run block at 59. I can't speak for everyone but its given me a nice balance of aggressive CPU running with some of the better backs putting up good numbers against me.

This will become more prevalent if you see a balance in play calling. Its a lot harder to find that kind of running balance if the CPU is going to pass 48 times and run 12 times. I've found that CPU QB accuracy has an affect on CPU play calling. Over the course of a 10 game test with the CPU QB accuracy set to 0 the CPU ran the ball way more than passing. With the CPU QB accuracy set at 100 they passed way more than running...makes sense in a way but as far as sliders are concerned it shouldn't really have this effect.

[dman08]

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I can confirm this. I played the on all pro out the box and saw incomplete passes. All madden was even better because of the challenge that the cpu provides. It wasn't until I started messing w sliders that I started seeing this robo qb stuff. The problem was I had qb acc on 5 like everyone was suggesting. This causes the cpu to look for short quick passes which is y we see so many dumpoffs. Which is y we see so many 90% completion games. So I bumped qb acc back up to 45 for the cpu and increased int for user and cpu back to 50. My man coverage was much better than when I had it set at 25 and the cpu was looking to go downfield which lowered there percentage some. I also changed user and cpu wr catch to 35. I haven't noticed a crazy amount of picks w the int sliders at 50 nor any crazy amount of drops either. Just try it and let us know what u see

[darkknightrises]

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pass coverage is zone coverage....interceptions is man coverage.....take that into account

This is the first time I have heard any thing like that. If that is true what do you think is a good setting for both pass coverage and interceptions? I have trouble with the game on default on pro has I cant complete many passes.

[timiville]

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No the problem is we're taking the Sliders at face definition...

What I've found is the programmers just slapped a name on these sliders. For instance Roughing the Kicker doesn't mean that...it's a slider for "aggressiveness" overall. It's why when you set it higher you see more gang tackles and late hits.

Can't take the sliders literally. For instance I believe Punt Interference is like how much space a defender will give anyone attempting to catch the ball.

I also think we're out thinking ourselves, like when we say higher intentional grounding makes the QB hold the ball because the AI doesn't want the call. Giving the AI too much credit.

I've found IG on a higher setting, does as it should and the QB is in a rush.

[RumbleCard]

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No the problem is we're taking the Sliders at face definition...

What I've found is the programmers just slapped a name on these sliders. For instance Roughing the Kicker doesn't mean that...it's a slider for "aggressiveness" overall. It's why when you set it higher you see more gang tackles and late hits.

Can't take the sliders literally. For instance I believe Punt Interference is like how much space a defender will give anyone attempting to catch the ball.

I also think we're out thinking ourselves, like when we say higher intentional grounding makes the QB hold the ball because the AI doesn't want the call. Giving the AI too much credit.

I've found IG on a higher setting, does as it should and the QB is in a rush.

Well there are issues no doubt. I can't speak for everyone but I've found that Intentional Grounding set at 0 caused the CPU QB to make quicker choices...basically the opposite of what you're finding.

I tested this over a 10 game span CPU vs. CPU and another 10 game span with me playing the CPU...the quicker I could get the to QB the quicker the QB made a decision.

This is why we end up chasing placebo effects and running circles around these sliders. They're so messed up no one can figure it out.

For all I/we know its some other combination of things but when I test sliders at 0/100 I do it with everything else set to 50