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**Playmakers** · 09-04-2015, 09:11 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

I think the best way to get results for what your trying to see especially on All-Pro or Pro Level is to lower the QBA slider down significantly.

The engine still allows QB to be way too accurate out of the box....

I also believe it's a combination of the QBA + WR catch...

The Catch Slider has a huge impact on accuracy because it decreases or increases the QB's Radius

Lower WR catch Slider and you'll see more deep balls off target.

Also that chart you posted is very helpful because you can actually take those Completion % for each QB and assign the slider to that exact setting and then use the WR Catch slider to keep those those QB's in line with their true Comp %

The problem is you have to adjust the Slider each game based on the QB your facing

The CPU would utilize the higher end of the slider scale while the Human QB would have to utilize the lower end of the scale and the WR Catch Slider would remain a neutral setting.

I devised a chart a few years ago on All-Pro Level in which it worked really well but not so much for All Madden because the QB's get a ratings boost altering their true accuarcy rating.

For example Drew Brees based on your chart would get a QBA Slider of 69 for the CPU controlling him and the Human player controlling him would be a 31 Slider setting.

Brian Hoyer one of the lower guys listed on that chart would get a Slider setting of 55 for the CPU and for the human player controlling Hoyer the setting would be 17

Now you can see the true difference in ratings based on Hoyer and Brees SLiders setting for both CPU and Human controlled

**D81SKINS** · 09-04-2015, 09:31 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

I would do the opposite of Playmaker, I believe this year's Madden is the closest to realistic qb play than any other. I would suggest testing from 50/50 All-Pro and playing 5-10 games w/ each qb vs different teams, which is exactly what I'm doing in my 32 team offline CFM, and record the results.
I trust that the tiburon crew did a good job of rendering realistic qb play just after playing preseason and a few reg. Seasons game b4 having to start it over due to autosave bug.

Now IF after testing 50/50 AP and seeing robo qb of yrs past, then I may consider drastic slider changes but not until then.
So far I haven't felt that knee jerk reaction to change gameplay. I could change my mind after more games but not now.

Another thing to test is the player lock feat. And just letting the cpu AI control the qbs and I would lock onto another player(hb, wr, te, etc).
Alot of moving parts to test and just changing sliders around b/c that's what we've done in the past doesn't seem to be the case this year.

I will report back my qb results for each game and see how it aligns w/ these stats. I will have to keep a count on each bad throw as well.
This is another good thread to get a barometer on how close the qbs are playing to what we see irl.

**GrayDawg** · 09-05-2015, 12:02 AM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Good ideas guys. I have been working my way down from 50. It appears in my experience so far that errant passes gradually increase the lower you go. You especially see it among backup QB's but not so much among higher tier QB's. I have started to test at 30 now so we'll see how that goes.

I did play a game at 0 as an experiment playing Palmer vs Brees and Palmer completed 53% of his passes having 7 errant passes while Brees only completed 30% throwing alot of ducks throwing 13 errant passes. So if there were one setting I would think its at a lower setting.

By the way, I like your idea playmakers and it could work especially for a 32 team CFM. I will test some games this weekend and see how it goes.

**Playmakers** · 09-05-2015, 01:46 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Hey man i want to thank you again for posting this data saves me time to look up the information.

You have just given me a idea that i want to proceed on for Pro Level sliders I created.

I will be creating a QB Chart for Human Players based on the QB they utilize in Madden for their respective teams.

I still believe you can throw ratings out the window for all QB's when a human player controls him and that is why I believe a QB chart would work great on the lower levels Pro and All-Pro

Pass Block and Wr Catch would basically stay the same only the QBA slider would change to add seperation amongst the Human controlled QB when they play against the CPU.

**DerkontheOS** · 09-05-2015, 01:59 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

I'm playing on All-Pro and I started at 40 Qb Acc.

However the more I play I keep moving the User Qb Acc lower, I'm at 30 now, I'm just not seeing enough over/under throws from the user. On the other hand the CPU plays pretty realisticly at 40 Acc

**phillyfan23** · 09-05-2015, 02:10 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by DerkontheOS

I'm playing on All-Pro and I started at 40 Qb Acc.

However the more I play I keep moving the User Qb Acc lower, I'm at 30 now, I'm just not seeing enough over/under throws from the user. On the other hand the CPU plays pretty realisticly at 40 Acc

Im also playing on all pro with cpu qb accuracy at 35 and user accuracy at 7.

I played using the patriots....23/30 340 yards 2 tds 0 int won 31-3 against titans. Brady made maybe 2 bad throws the entire game.

Played 3 straight games using the rams nick foles was 45 percent against the seahawks 1 int 0 td lost 26-3

He was 20/33 against redskins 271 yards 1 td 1 int won game 23-14.

Lost to steelers 22-17 19/37 268 yards 1 td 1 int

Foles made a LOT more overthrows and underthrows and even some completions were inaccurate where the receiver had to readjust or sometimes even dive.

Brady was on point from start to finish.

I went down to 5 for user but it was ridiculous...toooo many errant throws but 7 for me is the sweet spot.

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**Playmakers** · 09-05-2015, 02:19 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by DerkontheOS

I'm playing on All-Pro and I started at 40 Qb Acc.

However the more I play I keep moving the User Qb Acc lower, I'm at 30 now, I'm just not seeing enough over/under throws from the user. On the other hand the CPU plays pretty realisticly at 40 Acc

I agree with you 100%

I'm at 30 on Pro Level started out that way right out the box but between Romo and my backups I don't feel any varience in the type of throws each one makes.....

It's a new year and a new Madden but that doesn't mean EA has changed their skin when it comes to QB Accuarcy and the games engine.

They will always give us a game where the accuarcy becomes too easy as we get used to the game.

But then again you can't develope a game that base don user stick skills when they take control of a player....

That is why I think this year is no different from previous years eventually the slider is going to have to be lowered IMO unless your cranking up the Pass Defense but that still doesn't cause errant, off target throws quite enough.

The way you get that type of gameplay is with a lower QBA or reduce the WR catch Slider but that leads to more dropped passes so the QBA slider is the best way to go.

Now obviously decision making plays a role in the QB's and we have no way of replicating that because we make the decisions on the field as well.

**Playmakers** · 09-05-2015, 02:26 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by phillyfan23

Im also playing on all pro with cpu qb accuracy at 35 and user accuracy at 7.

I played using the patriots....23/30 340 yards 2 tds 0 int won 31-3 against titans. Brady made maybe 2 bad throws the entire game.

Played 3 straight games using the rams nick foles was 45 percent against the seahawks 1 int 0 td lost 26-3

He was 20/33 against redskins 271 yards 1 td 1 int won game 23-14.

Lost to steelers 22-17 19/37 268 yards 1 td 1 int

Foles made a LOT more overthrows and underthrows and even some completions were inaccurate where the receiver had to readjust or sometimes even dive.

Brady was on point from start to finish.

I went down to 5 for user but it was ridiculous...toooo many errant throws but 7 for me is the sweet spot.

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Not a surprise 7 is one of the lowest overall ratings in the game if you cycle through the ratings from the bottom....

You'd be surprise that the game can still function with sliders that low it starts to increase your likley hood of missing a guy that the higher settings simply don't offer

They did a better job for the CPU controlled QB but with the Human player it's still pretty much the same as it's been with every version of Madden.

**phillyfan23** · 09-05-2015, 02:34 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by Playmakers

Not a surprise 7 is one of the lowest overall ratings in the game if you cycle through the ratings from the bottom....

You'd be surprise that the game can still function with sliders that low it starts to increase your likley hood of missing a guy that the higher settings simply don't offer

They did a better job for the CPU controlled QB but with the Human player it's still pretty much the same as it's been with every version of Madden.

As long as there is a slider value that works for me its fine whether it be 47 or 7. After qb acc 5 i tried at 10 and the elite qbs very rarely missed.

The sliders become sensitive at theae low numbers for some reason similar to penalty sliders. At 55 there is too many block in the back and at 50 not enough....53 sweet spot

Im just glad the sliders work as a whole this year and deliver an overall authentic experience

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**GrayDawg** · 09-05-2015, 05:19 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

So I tried my first game with playmakers idea. Vikings vs chargers. I set bridgewater to 36 and rivers to 66 and here are the stats. Bridgewater went 15/25 for 185 yards completing 60% and 3 errant passes. Rivers went 24/39 for 311 yards completing 61% and 2 errant passes.

Some important things to note here I felt rivers was deadly accurate when completing his passes but also threw some check downs in the game when he saw no one open. Also thought Rivers was very aggressive with some throws trying to sqeeze balls into coverage. He was picked twice because of this and that may be why I saw more check downs and more conservative play in the second half. Vikings win 20-15.

More games are needed to test and in the first quarter I was not a fan feeling rivers was deadly accurate and overpowered when passes were completed. I made some adjustments in the game and liked the results.

One thing I am thinking about is scaling down the system where 50 or 60 is the max setting because the game plays so well near default. I am going to test more games on this scale first to get a better sample.

**DerkontheOS** · 09-05-2015, 07:46 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by Playmakers

Not a surprise 7 is one of the lowest overall ratings in the game if you cycle through the ratings from the bottom....

You'd be surprise that the game can still function with sliders that low it starts to increase your likley hood of missing a guy that the higher settings simply don't offer

They did a better job for the CPU controlled QB but with the Human player it's still pretty much the same as it's been with every version of Madden.

After I watch some of this Wisky Alabama game I'm going to move my User Acc down to 7 for a game and see how that feels.

**charter04** · 09-05-2015, 07:55 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

This makes me want to go back and check how many bad throws I'm see on All Madden. I see quit a few even at user QB acc at 50 on AM. This chart is great info

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**booker21** · 09-05-2015, 08:17 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

Originally posted by Playmakers

Not a surprise 7 is one of the lowest overall ratings in the game if you cycle through the ratings from the bottom....

You'd be surprise that the game can still function with sliders that low it starts to increase your likley hood of missing a guy that the higher settings simply don't offer

They did a better job for the CPU controlled QB but with the Human player it's still pretty much the same as it's been with every version of Madden.

and here we are, saying that overthrows are still not on the right spot and on twitter there are several people saying that overthrows are a bug that need to be fix it. people that in theory they even played football. smh

**charter04** · 09-05-2015, 09:48 PM

Re: Realistic QB Accuracy Challenge

I went back and charted a game I had saved on video using one of my slider sets. I had the CPU at 8 accuracy and user 50. This is All Madden difficulty.

Romo (user) had 5 bad throws ( as defined by the OP)

Barkley (CPU) had 5 too.

The biggest difference was that my guys made fewer deflections. The CPU didn't force it into coverage as much I me. So the cpu's overall comletion percent was higher. He only missed those five throws. Also attempted fewer and took shorter throws. The 5 were deep throws.

That's why I think having CPU accuracy at 30 or at least higher will help because I'm noticing more bad throws because they are going down field more.

I need coverage to be tighter on the user defense too so there are more deflections.

Anyway this thread is great and really helping

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