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Old 10-12-2016, 06:16 PM   #1761
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That's very impressive.... what kind of pass D are you running if you don't mind me asking. I just played the Ravens and got Flacco twice and held him to 305 and 68%. I've had to work hard but my pass D is better than it was.... anxious for Josh's update to hopefully tone it down a bit.


It's been tough man. My corners can't play man to man well at all so I'm kinda forced to play a lot of zone. Mainly it's pressure. Any time I'm in nickel or big dime when I expect a pass, I switch over to the DE pass rush package and send the lone LB. zone blitzes have helped out a lot too. I've realized the strength of my D is causing pressure. That's about the only strength really. As the game went on I kept track of how much time Brady got in the pocket and the average was about 2.6 seconds, 3 seconds on play action. Not gonna lie, he lit me up, but it coulda been a lot worse


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Old 10-12-2016, 06:20 PM   #1762
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Most of the CPU completions are to wide open receivers. Def not seeing random errant throws. Last game Cam completed 89.5% against me. Only misses were interceptions. Reminded me of madden of old. Was an awesome game and had a fun ending so im not as mad haha
I have done a nights worth of testing on this and what I found is that the main culprit is we speed/acc/agi...did my testing on the slant route, there were basically one of two outcomes every time.

Outcome one (happened 70% of the timeish) wr does a stutter step at line then breaks into slant leaving cb 3-5 yards behind.

Outcome two cb turns and runs immediately on slant break putting him in a tight trail position.

These same two animations occur at the same rate even when dropping route running to 0

The only way the db won matchups is if you drop the spd/agi/act of wr

The matchup didn't seem to matter at all red/yellow/green (I edited to try all 3)

Also tested moving coverage sliders to 100 (same result)

Granted this was only one route but was a bit depressing
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:30 PM   #1763
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Would the auto subs work well for 15 min games with 15 sec acc clock?

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Old 10-12-2016, 07:26 PM   #1764
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I have done a nights worth of testing on this and what I found is that the main culprit is we speed/acc/agi...did my testing on the slant route, there were basically one of two outcomes every time.

Outcome one (happened 70% of the timeish) wr does a stutter step at line then breaks into slant leaving cb 3-5 yards behind.

Outcome two cb turns and runs immediately on slant break putting him in a tight trail position.

These same two animations occur at the same rate even when dropping route running to 0

The only way the db won matchups is if you drop the spd/agi/act of wr

The matchup didn't seem to matter at all red/yellow/green (I edited to try all 3)

Also tested moving coverage sliders to 100 (same result)

Granted this was only one route but was a bit depressing
I was starting to think the same thing, man coverage has not been good for 3 versions now. Playing zone is must with pressure on the QB.... and yes its very depressing
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:56 PM   #1765
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I was starting to think the same thing, man coverage has not been good for 3 versions now. Playing zone is must with pressure on the QB.... and yes its very depressing
This. I've always been a man coverage guy but man its frustrating this year. My team is better at man then zone but I have been having success, like you guys, with bringing zone blitzes. Not my cup of tea but I am having success.

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This. I've always been a man coverage guy but man its frustrating this year. My team is better at man then zone but I have been having success, like you guys, with bringing zone blitzes. Not my cup of tea but I am having success.

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Have to remember this was just vs the slant going to try the deeper routes next where it all isn't decided in the first move...I bet most wr qb combos in the NFL would complete 80-90 percent of slants they knew were against man coverage too
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:29 PM   #1767
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Have to remember this was just vs the slant going to try the deeper routes next where it all isn't decided in the first move...I bet most wr qb combos in the NFL would complete 80-90 percent of slants they knew were against man coverage too
I wasn't actually referring to your post but what I've experienced while playing. Not just post patch either. It's been that way since release. Just a little more prevalent now.

That is a shame about your test though. Keep us informed about anything else you try.

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Old 10-13-2016, 01:50 AM   #1768
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I'm pissed at myself for buying this game, major step back from last year in terms of the most important part - gameplay. Plenty of cosmetic improvements but the gameplay is woefully lacking.
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