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Old 12-13-2016, 01:07 PM   #2425
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Wow....those two schemes are absolutely reversed. The Packers have never played right until I made that switch.

And it also explains those random games where a team would attempt like 42 runs......awesome.
Yeah, they are definitely jacked up. Here is the thing....while west coast doesn't jive with west coast, I'm not sure it jives well with the power run scheme either. Played Seattle last night and they were assigned west coast scheme...it was a very balanced attack....usually they run the crap out of the ball....I think their scheme is set to balanced by default.

Long story short, we really need to explore each scheme and record observations.

On another note, continuing to explore the fatigue and injury settings. Nothing definitive yet, but recorded some interesting observations. Will elaborate more once I hone in on a testable setup.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:36 PM   #2426
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MVP and I are looking at this in his stream. EXTREMELY small sample size...but it looks like the West Coast and Power Run coach schemes are flip-flopped. Going to continue to investigate....especially since so many teams are set to 'West Coast' in the game.

FSU observed this for simmed games as well...which is what got me started on looking at this.
I tested this theory as well, switching schemes before games, might be something to this.

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Old 12-13-2016, 01:40 PM   #2427
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Based on the above definitions, I would like to establish a list of schemes. This is my first stab at it based on stats....would like thoughts/input:

Bears: Vertical
Bengals: Power Run*
Bills: West Coast*
Broncos: Zone Run
Browns: Balanced
Bucs: Vertical
Cardinals: Vertical
Chargers: Power Run*
Chiefs: Spread
Colts: Vertical
Cowboys: West Coast* or Vertical
Dolphins: Spread
Eagles: Spread
Falcons: Vertical
49ers: West Coast*
Giants: Balanced
Jags: Balanced
Jets: Balanced
Lions: Vertical
Packers: Power Run*
Panthers: West Coast*
Patriots: Balanced
Raiders: Balanced
Rams: West Coast*
Ravens: Balanced?
Redskins: Vertical
Saints: Vertical
Seahawks: West Coast*
Steelers: Vertical
Texans: Zone Run
Titans: West Coast*
Vikings: Vertical (based on 2015 with Teddy) or Power Run* based on 2016
*Based on premise that Power Run and West Coast are reversed

Schemes based on pass/run ratios as well as Air Yards Per Attempt (which subtracts out YAC):
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...ir-yards/2016/

Open to thoughts/suggestions (especially if you feel a team should be classified as a spread team). These do impact sim stats, but in the same manner...will likely get better sim stats as a result.
can we get this in OP, so does not get lost, definitely something to this. Played Eagles before, seems like run,run,run. quit, changed scheme, and played again, was awesome game. 23-18.

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Old 12-13-2016, 02:33 PM   #2428
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can we get this in OP, so does not get lost, definitely something to this. Played Eagles before, seems like run,run,run. quit, changed scheme, and played again, was awesome game. 23-18.

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I plan on doing so...I want to take a close look though at these other schemes to be sure nothing else is mis-labeled. Once I have done that and feel modestly comfortable with the conclusions, I will post an updated version of this list in the op.
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:43 PM   #2429
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update 1.08 dropped today. i hope you don't mind, i know off topic but to save every1 time:

-Addressed a gameplay issue where a receiver who was hot routed would switch back to his previous assignment if he was motioned and not fully set.
-Addressed a gameplay issue where the QB would freeze after hot routing a running back and motioning him out before he became fully set.
-Various upgrades to improve the Madden Ultimate Team Holiday experience.
-Enhanced preparations to help deal with the upcoming Freeze.

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Old 12-13-2016, 07:22 PM   #2430
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Thanks potter....you saved me a round of disappointment when I got home (yay maybe fixes...oh crap, nothing to see here)...lol.

Oh well, should be safe to download.
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Old 12-14-2016, 12:13 AM   #2431
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Hey guys, I set a 32 team CFM in order to set the proper schemes and would switch back to the Dolphins (my main team) and could no longer change the jerseys for the computer controlled team. To the point where if I was the home team and switched to an alternate white jersey, the away team wouldn't know to where the opposite color one. Anyone else seeing this or found a work around? Or do I need a second controller? Thanks!
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Old 12-14-2016, 12:38 AM   #2432
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Been running a few tests with the stamina rating. I know nobody wants to change the stamina for players but really I just wanted to see if manipulating it would have any affect whatsoever. I ran two separate tests. One was using SuperSim and the other was regular Simming. I haven't played yet but that is next on my list. Anyways here are was test one:

Rules

-Run 5 game sims of same matchup
-Only HB stamina was changed
-Stamina changed to 50 for all HB on both teams
-Using Josh's exact OP Sliders Set

SuperSim Results
fatigue test - supersim.png

Regular Sim Results
fatigue test - sim.png

In hindsight I should have turned injuries off to make sure but I don't think that affect anything. Just to eliminate a variable. But pretty interesting results I think.

Would love for someone to try this in full games to see what happens.
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