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Old 08-17-2017, 03:06 PM   #3809
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Posted this in impressions thread.....
"The injuries are a non issue IMO, more realistic now. Really cool. But the zone coverage is definitely not where it should be, even playing with a good Defensive team, hopefully will get tightened up more. That and the long amount of time some of the CPU QBs have to throw, inside pass rush seems nonexistent. Yes, you can get coverage sacks when in man defense or occasional blitz sack, but inside pressure needs some work. Run game is fantastic looking and feeling for both sides. Game definitely looks better overall visually and in motion, not sure why anyone would say it does not. I have done all testing in a test CFM. So basing my gameplay experience on test regular season games. My feedback is that wide open receivers, especially on zone coverage is inflating QB comp % in the game. If that is tuned to tighten up coverages, we should be in business. Also, did not see many penalties on all pro sim default, same problem with 17. Going to let Josh play the game and follow his settings that he got tuned in for 17 as well, basically all default, and we should be in business."
Also tested a game but on 15 minute quarters no assists. Hopefully the patch cleans up a lot of this day 1. Right now default on all pro feels easier than 17.

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Old 08-17-2017, 03:27 PM   #3810
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Guys, I would suggest testing with using assists on for whatever is normally on at default.

Turning them off may be doing more harm than good. I was watching Mill's stream last night and it looked pretty solid to me.


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Old 08-17-2017, 03:41 PM   #3811
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Guys, I would suggest testing with using assists on for whatever is normally on at default.

Turning them off may be doing more harm than good. I was watching Mill's stream last night and it looked pretty solid to me.


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I tested again with default AP, which has only Ball hawk on I believe, will try with all others on as well next game.

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I will test again with those settings you mentioned tonight.


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New thread started. Please move any discussion of M18 to that thread. Please thoroughly read the Opening Post as well. I will continue to add to it throughout the season (as needed).
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I've spent a lot of time working through sliders for this game. A gazillion iterations and a dozen patches later...where are we? We're right back at pure default.

Why default?
Put simply, a pure default All Pro is how the game was created and balanced. It is most balanced here, most ratings-based here, and (if you'll forgive the cliche) the most "organic" here. Using these settings will ensure varied and realistic outcomes (if you play a sim style game).

What is default?
Default settings aren't just about gameplay and penalty sliders. But, there are a couple of other key elements that are significant contributors.
Game difficulty: All Pro
Autosubs: 60/80 in Main Menu and 49/50 in CFM
All Assists are "off"
Injury/Fatigue settings are default (which is 10 Injury /50 Fatigue in the main menu and 50 Injury/50 Fatigue in CFM)
Game speed at normal in both the main menu and CFM (see below for discussion of game speed)
Pretty much everything else (which isn't much)

A note on game speed
When starting the process of going back to a pure default setup, the CPU passing game really stood out as a sore thumb. It was full of checkdowns and dinky-dunky stuff (and sacks galore on vertical routes). I quickly realized that the AI's timing on routes was not in-sync with where the receivers were on the field. The good news is by modifying the Main Menu game speed setting, we can modify the speed within CFM. Once I turned the main menu speed to Slow, the throw variety really improved, AI was better overall...just a much better experience...one that even lead to more incomplete passes. So, changing the main menu game speed to slow (leaving CFM at Normal) is the one change I have made from default.

Why should I use these?
  • Variety. Every play can go a bunch of different directions. You will see a lifelike interaction in player animations (especially on tackles)....the CPU will make moves, truck you, etc. You know those gameplay vids that you see in the franchise intro with RBs making all kinds of moves and wondered where they were in-game? Well, they're in the game....and this setup will let them shine.
  • Ratings matter....but within that wonderful little range that makes you feel like anything can happen. This means, if you have a bad team, you might get your butt kicked. If you have a great team, you will probably dominate. If you want every game to feel the same so you get a consistent level of "challenge"....don't even bother with these. You want to cheese your way to the top by gathering 10 first round draft picks per year....don't even bother with these.
  • The CPU will take advantage of your mistakes and will beat you but without that All Madden 'cheese' that far too many people whine about.
  • You will see things you have rarely (if ever seen) every game; animations are much more varied. Penalties are much more varied (I've seen Roughing the Passer on the CPU, illegal hit out of bounds, Illegal forward pass, etc.).
A couple of notes:
  • Auto-subbing is not ideal. For better or worse, EA calibrated the game at 49/50 autosubs. The gameplay is well worth the sacrifice. Use formation subs or manually sub to compensate. Autosubs have a massive impact on gameplay, you change them, you are using an entirely different slider set.
  • Don't just focus on play outcomes and animations, but also the ratings; especially in the pass rush. There is a huge difference between playing against a good O-line and a bad one.
  • Finally, I've tested these on both 15 min and 9 min quarters; they work well either way. If you DO use accelerated clock, do not go below 20 seconds. If you do, the CPU will stop making audibles and adjustments at the LOS.
Game-Planning and its Effect on CPU Play Calling and Gameplay

So....let's talk about the gameplanning function within CFM....while I know we're only a couple of months away from M18, I am hoping that some of this is useful for us moving forward. The game plan and weekly training elements were new to M17 and as we know, sometimes new features leave behind some unintended artifacts.

So, you pick your point of emphasis for offense and defense for that week then sim through (or play) the actual training. You get boosts on those types of plays as being a part of your "gameplan". In the play selection menu, you get the little green icons that pop up and indicate that it is a "gameplan play". What if the CPU is using those gameplan plays far too often (thus causing them to run the same types of plays over and over....the biggest offenders being stick patterns, "shots", and verticals). I mean, seriously, some teams call stick patterns 50-60% of the time...even if you stop it.

I started experimenting to see what would happen if I manually set the CPU's gameplan. So, I ran the initial experiment versus the Bengals (who in my experiences, are notorious for running stick patterns over and over). I took control of their coach the week BEFORE I played them (if you wait until the week you play them to take control of their coach, they will have already completed the drills so you can't do this). Now, as I looked at all of the gameplanning options, I noticed some that were not specific to play types ("situation" options).

So, for the experiment, I set their gameplanning emphasis to "Red Zone Offense" and "Red Zone Defense" and I did the same for mine. The two red zone emphasis drills make all plays (when within the red zone) "gameplan plays" and give the boosts there. By setting the CPU and User gameplans to those drills, they essentially "cancel out" the boosts (albeit, at a slightly boosted level). Also, teams get "amped-up" in the red zone in real life; so this feels a bit more "sim" in some respects.

So, fired it up....my god....the CPU play-calling (with their default 'balanced offense' scheme) was SO much better. They were calling a much wider variety of plays and were actually catching me off-guard on occasion. I even had a tougher time cracking their defense...

Now....I have run a few other possible options as far as gameplan drills. I've settled on the redzone offense/defense being the most reliable approach.

Here is what I know and don't know:
  • I cannot directly correlate the drill used to how often a team calls a play. In other words, if the CPU drills on a "Cover 1", I don't necessarily see them calling more Cover 1 plays. But, I have nowhere near the statistically-significant sample size I would need to prove/disprove this. Frankly, I am not going to take it quite this far.
  • However, for whatever reason, there appears to be an improvement in CPU game-calling variety when setting the gameplan to "red zone offense/defense". I think it is more the fact that this approach re-balances things a bit more.
  • Oddly, I have been seeing a few more penalties since using this approach....that is likely unrelated; but we also know the game is "happier" when things are nice and balanced.
  • I still recommend the use of modified offensive schemes, but I am going to re-work them as I believe the 'balanced scheme' is less of an issue now (and I think I am going to start shying away more from the vertical schemes).
  • I still sometimes see too many vertical/shot plays, but I think that is as much a by-product of certain playbooks (and use of the vertical scheme). However, I would say that overall, it is better.

So, in summary:
  1. Take control of the CPU coach the WEEK BEFORE your game (if starting a new franchise, this means you have to start in preseason)
  2. Once CPU coach is under your control, advance to the next week (i.e. the week of your game)
  3. For the CPU coach, change the offensive gameplannng to "Red Zone Offense" and defensive to "Red Zone Defense" (both are near the bottom of the list). Simulate the training. If you want to adjust their offensive scheme, you can do that here too. You may retire the CPU coach once done.
  4. For the User coach, change the offensive gameplannng to "Red Zone Offense" and defensive to "Red Zone Defense" (both are near the bottom of the list). Simulate the training.
  5. Play your game.
  6. Once that game is ended, don't forget to take control of the CPU coach for your next game before advancing.
  7. Repeat Steps 1-6.
Coach Schemes
After more extensive testing on coach schemes and based on the work done with the "game planning" feature, I recommend the following (as of June 12, 2017, subject to further review):

Bears: Balanced
Bengals: Balanced
Bills: West Coast or Spread (personal preference)
Broncos: Zone Run
Browns: Balanced
Bucs: Power Run
Cardinals: West Coast
Chargers: Balanced
Chiefs: Spread
Colts: Zone Run
Cowboys: Vertical or Spread (w/ Prescott especially)
Dolphins: West Coast or Zone Run
Eagles: Spread
Falcons: Balanced
49ers: Spread
Giants: Spread
Jags: Balanced
Jets: West Coast
Lions: Balanced
Packers: West Coast
Panthers: Power Run
Patriots: West Coast
Raiders: Spread
Rams: Power Run
Ravens: Balanced
Redskins: West Coast
Saints: West Coast
Seahawks: Balanced
Steelers: West Coast
Texans: Zone Run
Titans: Spread
Vikings: West Coast

To implement these, you can either do a 32 team CFM or the following:
Take control of a team's coach within CFM (hit R3 on PS4 with the CFM menus); select that team's coach....do not create a custom coach. Go to his scheme menu and change the offensive scheme (do not alter the playbook). Then, go to the far right-hand screen in the CFM menus and retire the coach. The coach will remain, you will only get the little story ("He will be missed...blah blah blah") and the changes will stick and you can do this over and over. I suggest doing this at the start of a CFM and then saving it as a "base" CFM file.


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