M17 XP Slider Discussion

[tdawg3782]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rabbott24

Loving this thank you a ton I was thinking there might be an issue with CPU upgrading every 4 weeks, when you get to higher levels 85 or 90 plus players the CPU can't afford to spend on stats that matter s(and it doesn't save XP) they spend it on stats that don't help overall nearly as much (ea released a % break down by position while back) which is why I think the 90 plus players are low and the depth is high Might be better having it upgrade once a year

That is a very good thought. I'll do a redo of the sim I just did but only change to progression once yearly. See what happens.

[SyncereBlackout]

Quote: Originally Posted by tdawg3782

Sim #2 is done. Just have to compile data. Should be up in a bit. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Could you shed some light on the DL and OL progression as it relates to scheme 3-4/4-3.

Also with interior linemen can you speak to the passing of rushing stats of the teams for the linemen who jumped into the next tier.

What was the rationale for 4 week upgrades (out of curiosity)?

At the end of the season what was the average XP remaining per position group?

[vc3616]

Quote: Originally Posted by tdawg3782

2nd sim is in the books: Rules: 75 Man Preseason Roster/XP Sliders adjusted (details by position)/Progress set to Every 4 Weeks How to read chart: Base is how many players were rated in each group and +10 Years is how many after simming 10 seasons. The % is just the % of players rated in each group to give you a visual that way. Total is the total amount of players rated 80+. QB(90%): Spoiler QB(90%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 3 2 11.54% 5.56% 90-94 3 3 11.54% 8.33% 85-89 7 14 26.92% 38.89% 80-84 13 17 50.00% 47.22% Total 26 36 100.00% 100.00% This turned out really good. The 10% drop gave us 5 players at 90+ opposed to 7 players at 100%. A few more 85-89, a few less 80-84, but still 36 total players 80+. Sticking with 90%. HB(120%): Spoiler HB(120%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 4 2 12.90% 6.67% 85-89 5 4 16.13% 13.33% 80-84 22 24 70.97% 80.00% Total 31 30 100.00% 100.00% We had 23 players 80+ at 100%. Now we have 30. The 85+ guys are a little less but those 24 players between 80-84 could easily have been higher if something different happened during the sim. I like where this is at too. You could go up another 5-10% but for my tastes I think I'm set. FB(100%): Spoiler FB(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 1 0 8.33% 0.00% 85-89 4 3 33.33% 21.43% 80-84 7 11 58.33% 78.57% Total 12 14 100.00% 100.00% Kept this the same and it's nearly exact. Obviously we are going to see some variable when simming even when the XP Sliders stay the same but it's good to see some consistency. This is set for me at 100% WR(110%): Spoiler WR(110%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 2 0 3.92% 0.00% 90-94 13 2 25.49% 2.90% 85-89 14 17 27.45% 24.64% 80-84 22 50 43.14% 72.46% Total 51 69 100.00% 100.00% This was pretty solid as well. We only had 6 more players 80+ then at 100% which isn't that much. That was my biggest concern. To much depth. We increased the 85-89 range from by 5 and 90+ stayed the same. We may be able to squeeze a little more out of this without it getting crazy depending on what you want for your CFM. Think I'll try 120% just to see what happens. TE(90%): Spoiler TE(90%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 0 4.00% 0.00% 90-94 3 3 12.00% 10.00% 85-89 4 7 16.00% 23.33% 80-84 17 20 68.00% 66.67% Total 25 30 100.00% 100.00% This is perfect in my opinion. We only dropped 80+ players by 1, thinned out the 85-89 range, and added some the the 80-84 range. 90+ stayed the same. 90% it is for me. T(110%): Spoiler T(110%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 3 0 6.98% 0.00% 90-94 4 1 9.30% 2.50% 85-89 12 9 27.91% 22.50% 80-84 24 30 55.81% 75.00% Total 43 40 100.00% 100.00% This didn't do much at all. We actually dropped 80+ players by 4, 80-84 stayed the same, 85-89 lost 1, and 90+ lost 3. This leads me to believe that what Aestis said about PBK and RBK being expensive may be a problem here. With that I will try 130% next sim. G(130%): Spoiler G(130%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 0 3.45% 0.00% 90-94 3 4 10.34% 10.53% 85-89 9 3 31.03% 7.89% 80-84 16 31 55.17% 81.58% Total 29 38 100.00% 100.00% So this had a big affect. We increased 80+ players by 16 from 100%. Finally got some 90+ guys and a few 85-89 guys. I like the spread here. Keeping at 130%. C(130%): Spoiler C(130%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 1 0 6.25% 0.00% 85-89 6 1 37.50% 6.67% 80-84 9 14 56.25% 93.33% Total 16 15 100.00% 100.00% This did nothing. We had 1 more player at 80+ from 100%. That's it. I really want to get C striaght because it always seems that people just put backup T or G there because the are better. I want some true C to ball. So not sure why it worked so well for G and not C but up we shall go. 150% for next sim. DE(100%): Spoiler DE(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 1 3.23% 2.13% 90-94 9 5 29.03% 10.64% 85-89 15 27 48.39% 57.45% 80-84 6 14 19.35% 29.79% Total 31 47 100.00% 100.00% Here is the variable I was talking about even though it was at 100% again. Total players 80+ increased by 4. That's nothing. 90+ was the same. But 85-89 went up 12 and 80-84 went down 8. Pretty big fluctuation on the lower end. I'm reluctant to drop this because I like what I'm seeing on the 90+ side. Sticking with 100% for now. DT(100%): Spoiler DT(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 0 4.17% 0.00% 90-94 5 1 20.83% 2.86% 85-89 4 11 16.67% 31.43% 80-84 14 23 58.33% 65.71% Total 24 35 100.00% 100.00% About the same as before. I'm good with this. 100% is set for me here. OLB(90%): Spoiler OLB(90%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 3 0 6.67% 0.00% 90-94 8 12 17.78% 21.82% 85-89 11 12 24.44% 21.82% 80-84 23 31 51.11% 56.36% Total 45 55 100.00% 100.00% 80+ players dropped 4. 90% went up 1, 85-89 went down 2, and 80-84 went down 3. Pretty good results. May still be a tad high but I think I like this setting. For now I'll stick with 90%. MLB(100%): Spoiler MLB(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 0 5.88% 0.00% 90-94 1 4 5.88% 18.18% 85-89 6 4 35.29% 18.18% 80-84 9 14 52.94% 63.64% Total 17 22 100.00% 100.00% 80+ players dropped by 4 but it's still very good overall. That's a throw away variable. I like this setting at 100%. Sticking with it. CB(120%): Spoiler CB(120%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 1 0 3.13% 0.00% 90-94 7 3 21.88% 8.33% 85-89 13 15 40.63% 41.67% 80-84 11 18 34.38% 50.00% Total 32 36 100.00% 100.00% 80+ players went up by 8 from 100%. 90+ gained 2 and it seems much more balanced. Variables will make this set solid I think. Keeping 120%. FS(100%): Spoiler FS(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 2 0 7.41% 0.00% 90-94 5 3 18.52% 8.82% 85-89 5 12 18.52% 35.29% 80-84 15 19 55.56% 55.88% Total 27 34 100.00% 100.00% Almost the same as the first sim which is good. Couple 90+ guys this time. 100% seems to be the way to go. SS(90%): Spoiler SS(90%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 2 3 12.50% 8.33% 85-89 6 6 37.50% 16.67% 80-84 8 27 50.00% 75.00% Total 16 36 100.00% 100.00% 80+ players only dropped by 2 form 100%. 90+ dropped by 1 but the real result is the 85-90 range dropped by 10. Much less top heavy and more realistic. 90% it is for me. K(100%): Spoiler K(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 85-89 0 1 0.00% 16.67% 80-84 7 5 100.00% 83.33% Total 7 6 100.00% 100.00% Few less then last time but still consistent with what apparently the game wants. 100% is a lock for me here. P(100%): Spoiler P(100%) Base +10 Years Base % +10 Years % 95-99 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 90-94 0 0 0.00% 0.00% 85-89 0 2 0.00% 10.53% 80-84 5 17 100.00% 89.47% Total 5 19 100.00% 100.00% This jumped by 7 players 80+ but to be honest I don't really care lol. They are mostly all in the 80-84 range. If you wanted to drop it to 90% to get more inline with the base roster you could. Up to you. !00% for me. 2nd sim is in the books. I think I've locked down most of the positions. Will do another sim when I can to try to nail down those final few positions. Also any input is welcome. If someone has a good idea I'm all ears. What I have so far: Spoiler QB: 90% (done) HB: 120% (done) FB: 100% (done) WR: 120% (wip) TE: 90% (done) T: 130% (wip) G: 130% (done) C: 150% (wip) DE: 100% (wip) DT: 100% (done) OLB: 90% (wip) MLB: 100% (done) CB: 120% (done) FS: 100% (done) SS: 90% (done) K: 100% (done) p: 100% (done)

good job on this man im glad someone did it this was just what i was looking for, that being said keep this in mind the elite player's this year are predicated on the superstar trait its dynamic now so they could loose ut or gain it so its not always goin to be the same, also the way the draft classes are they change every year so one year it may be DB heavy or you may get a couole elite QB's or you may get none it changes

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[tdawg3782]

Quote: Originally Posted by SyncereBlackout

Could you shed some light on the DL and OL progression as it relates to scheme 3-4/4-3. Also with interior linemen can you speak to the passing of rushing stats of the teams for the linemen who jumped into the next tier. What was the rationale for 4 week upgrades (out of curiosity)? At the end of the season what was the average XP remaining per position group?

As far as scheme goes it's really hard to do something like this and try to get a somewhat consistent test. So what I did was just choose Balanced for every position (4-3 Balanced for DE). I try to eliminate as many variables as possible. While this obviously isn't going to be completely accurate across the board it should give a pretty good idea of how players progress over the sim.

I didn't dive to deep into stats because if I did that it would I would never get through this and also I didn't want to individualize teams. I wanted a global look at what is happening for the league.

I chose 4 week progression because that is what it was set to at default. Nothing else behind it other then that.

I never checked if any XP remained. I do a straight 10 year sim and it stops simming at the beginning of the preseason of the year 2026.

Quote: Originally Posted by vc3616

good job on this man im glad someone did it this was just what i was looking for, that being said keep this in mind the elite player's this year are predicated on the superstar trait its dynamic now so they could loose ut or gain it so its not always goin to be the same, also the way the draft classes are they change every year so one year it may be DB heavy or you may get a couole elite QB's or you may get none it changes Sent from my SM-G928P using Tapatalk

Oh I totally get that. That is what I mean by the variables. You have injuries, different stats, draft class strength/weakness, off season moves, regression, team strength/weakness, loaded teams, dynamic dev trait, etc. With that being said doing it like this gives a pretty good impression on what you can expect over a 10 year sim. I have a pretty big range that I want players from each position to fall into so if I can find that base zone I'm good. And that would let others really try to fine tune it if they like.

[ThatMichiganFan]

Wow, excellent work TDawg. I'm definitely going to add these to my slider set. Giving you all credit obviously. Thanks for the hard work.

[deezycobain]

tdawg your the f**kin man, thank you for the work.... i am liking what i see for the most part. excited to get more deep into this game

[Mike Lowe]

I've been tinkering with XP sliders for a few days, and I honestly think we may need to have the OL around 250. I'd also put Ks and Ps at 300 (max) and TEs at about 90. The rest seemed fine to me, but I am keeping an eye on tdawg too and appreciate his insight and detail here!

[kkj654]

I will also be doing some xp slider testing, when I wake up in 5-6 hours. I will probably spend most of my day doing it. I'm going to start with tdawgs as a base, and I will post all my results here. When I get it to best of my ability I may make a thread about it, and give tdawg a lot of credit

...I'll see you all soon with my results