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Old 08-23-2016, 06:46 PM   #33
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Great stuff. I am a little curious as to how this truly breaks down in a more gameplay/mechanics/user based way, specifically how RBK/PBK breaks out. From looking at it, AWR isn't much more expensive and is the main driver of OVR and likely one of the key stats CPUs will inflate. But I wonder how the PBK/RBK vs PMV/FMV/BSH interaction is really working 10 years later. That's maybe too much to sim 10 yrs to find out, but my point is, I wonder if those 90+ OVR guys are setting at 85 PBK, or if they're truly elite players.
This is good insight. I'll have to dig deeper into some of the ratings that are making up the Ovr. Maybe even play some games to evaluate gameplay to season 1 gameplay.

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Old 08-23-2016, 07:18 PM   #34
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This is good insight. I'll have to dig deeper into some of the ratings that are making up the Ovr. Maybe even play some games to evaluate gameplay to season 1 gameplay.

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For reference, I'm seeing PBK/RBK costs escalate to like 5k-9k even for 23-26 yr olds with low/mid 80s ratings, compared to ~1500-2000+ for PMV/FMV. It's just night & day to develop OL compared to any other position, where my anecdotal feeling has matched up pretty well with your findings. I don't feel any other position needs a boost and 1-2 might even need more like 90% (QB & TE were your choices and this feels solid to me).

I'm an analyst IRL, so I don't want to go by feel, but I do think there's something beneath the "not-terrible-looking" #s for OL. Then again I'm dealing in tiny sample sizes and could easily have just had very bad OL prospects that I've tried to progress thus far. Thanks for your effort so far to try to quantify some of this, it's very helpful.
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Guys, I'm checking out the data of the sim I did using the same xp sliders as my 2nd sim but with end of season progression. Let me just say wow!!! It's really looking good. Will have to adjust some but the way it looks is outstanding. It had the reverse affect of what I thought. Pretty much across the board we had less guys 80+ then with progress every 4 weeks. Anyways I'm compiling now and will have it up shortly.

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Old 08-23-2016, 08:38 PM   #36
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3rd sim done. Really good stuff here guys. Same XP Sliders used as sim 2 but with End of Season Progression this time. Check out the data:

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I was really impressed with the results here. I'm sticking with End of Season Progression. It just feels more organic.
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Awesome stuff!

Like TE, with end of year progression, it seems to be QB should be back at 100 as well.

And I'd go a lot higher still with OL and K/P. It doesn't seem to do much for those positions in small increments.

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Awesome stuff!

Like TE, with end of year progression, it seems to be QB should be back at 100 as well.

And I'd go a lot higher still with OL and K/P. It doesn't seem to do much for those positions in small increments.

Great work!
You're right about QB. I think QB and TE back at 100% would work fine.

As for OL I think I'll just up it by 100% each for ****s and giggles to see if that will give me a better idea where to place it.

But man were most of those numbers looking really good.

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You're right about QB. I think QB and TE back at 100% would work fine.

As for OL I think I'll just up it by 100% each for ****s and giggles to see if that will give me a better idea where to place it.

But man were most of those numbers looking really good.

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Yeah, we're in a good place! I was using 250 for OL and 300 for K/P. But not with progression at the end of the year, so ymmv.
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Fantastic work TDawg! Will you post a full XP slider set once you're done with your findings?
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