M17 Custom CPU PBs & Default All-Pro(DSkins81)

[HighCmpPct]

Started up a Atlanta chise just to get a feel for playing with a non fantasy draft and a team with a much worse defense than my 49ers. Here's the first 2 games.

Game 1:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Atlanta Falcons
Sep 1, 2016	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (0-0)	7	0	0	7	14
Atlanta Falcons (0-0)	0	6	15	7	28

Team Stats Comparison
	TAM	ATL
Total Offense	296	472
Rushing Yards	131	185
Passing Yards	165	287
First Downs	16	18
Punt Return Yards	26	11
Kick Return Yards	177	82
Total Yards	499	565
Turnovers	1	2
3rd Down Converstion	7-18	5-12
4th Down Conversion	2-2	0-0
2-Point Conversion	0-0	1-1
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2/0	2/2
Penalties	4-28	7-70
Posession Time	20:23	15:37

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		TAM	ATL
2:25	(TAM) A.Cross 1yd TD Run	7	0
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		TAM	ATL
8:04	(ATL) M.Bryant 17yd FG	7	3
0:18	(ATL) M.Bryant 31yd FG	7	6
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		TAM	ATL
6:25	(ATL) D.Freeman 2yd TD Run	7	13
0:26	(ATL) T.Coleman 46yd TD Run	7	21
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		TAM	ATL
6:54	(TAM) R.Randle 9yd TD Catch	14	21
4:56	(ATL) J.Jones 1yd TD Catch	14	28

Tampa Bay Buccaneers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Jameis Winston 24-33 196 1 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Doug Martin 31 122 3.9 0 Jacquizz Rodgers 3 6 2 0 Jameis Winston 1 2 2 0 Alan Cross 1 1 1 1 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Doug Martin 7 35 5 0 Rueben Randle 5 25 5 1 Mike Evans 4 47 11.8 0 Cameron Brate 2 41 20.5 0 Adam Humphries 2 16 8 0 Jacquizz Rodgers 1 1 1 0 Brandon Myers 1 4 4 0 Marques Colston 1 30 30 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Kwon Alexander 9 0 0 0 Lavonte David 7 0.5 0 0 Vernon Hargraves III 7 0 0 0 Jude Adjei-Barimah 6 0 0 0 Clinton McDonald 5 0 0 0 Bradley McDougald 4 0 0 0 Brent Grimes 4 0 0 0 Robert Ayers Jr. 3 1 0 0 William Gholston 2 0.5 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Roberto Aguayo 0-2 2-2 2 NA PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Bryan Anger 2 87 43.5 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Josh Huff 3 90 30 0 Adam Humphries 3 87 29 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Josh Huff 2 26 13 0

Atlanta Falcons PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Matt Ryan 23-35 299 1 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD DeVonta Freeman 19 138 7.3 1 Tevin Coleman 3 51 17 1 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Julio Jones 9 106 11.8 1 Jacob Tamme 5 40 8 0 Taylor Gabriel 4 57 14.3 0 Mohamed Sanu Sr. 2 13 6.5 0 DeVonta Freeman 1 28 28 0 Austin Hooper 1 10 10 0 Tommylee Lewis 1 45 45 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Desmond Trufant 10 0 1 0 Riccardo Allen 9 0 0 0 Vic Beasley Jr. 9 1 0 0 Jalen Collins 9 0 0 0 A.J. Hawk 8 0 0 0 Grady Jerrett 7 1 0 0 Courtney Upshaw 1 0.5 0 0 Joe Vallano 1 0.5 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Matt Bryant 2/3 2/2 8 32 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Matt Bosher 3 172 57.3 1 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Taylor Gabriel 3 82 27.3 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Shane Wynn 1 11 11 0

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Ok so after winning game 1 I just can't even type how Oakland managed to seal this one up against me so here just watch...



Game 2:

Atlanta Falcons at Oakland Raiders
Sep 1, 2016	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Atlanta Falcons (1-0)	7	10	3	6	26
Oakland Raiders (0-1)	21	7	0	17	45

Team Stats Comparison
	ATL	OAK
Total Offense	431	361
Rushing Yards	114	94
Passing Yards	317	267
First Downs	15	16
Punt Return Yards	0	13
Kick Return Yards	83	59
Total Yards	514	433
Turnovers	2	0
3rd Down Converstion	3-10	9-16
4th Down Conversion	0-2	0-0
2-Point Conversion	0-1	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2/2	5/1
Penalties	2-15	2-20
Posession Time	16:48	19:12

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		ATL	OAK
6:03	(OAK) M.Rivera 1yd TD Catch	0	7
3:14	(OAK) T.Jones 4yd TD Catch	0	14
3:03	(ATL) J.Jones 75yd TD Catch	7	14
0:40	(OAK) T.Jones 2yd TD Run	7	21
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		ATL	OAK
7:34	(ATL) J.Jones 19yd TD Catch	14	21
5:08	(ATL) M.Bryant 28yd FG	17	21
0:23	(OAK) T.Jones 3yd TD Run	17	28
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		ATL	OAK
6:15	(ATL) M.Bryant 21yd FG	20	28
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		ATL	OAK
8:21	(OAK) S.Janikowski 38yd FG	20	31
6:02	(ATL) T.Coleman 1yd TD Run	26	31
4:24	(OAK) M.Crabtree 11yd TD Catch	26	38
2:32	(OAK) M.Watson Picked Up Offensive Fumble for 11yd TD	26	45

Atlanta Falcons PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Matt Ryan 21-31 370 2 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD DeVonta Freeman 17 107 6.3 0 Tevin Coleman 4 7 1.8 1 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Julio Jones 7 185 26.4 2 Jacob Tamme 4 67 16.8 0 Taylor Gabriel 3 30 10 0 Mohamed Sanu Sr. 2 16 8 0 Tommylee Lewis 2 23 11.5 0 Tevin Coleman 1 13 13 0 DeVonta Freeman 1 24 24 0 Austin Hooper 1 12 12 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Riccardo Allen 11 0 0 0 Deion Jones (User) 9 0 0 0 Keanu Neal 9 0 0 0 Adrian Clayborn 8 0.5 0 0 Grady Jerrett 7 0 0 0 A.J. Hawk 6 0 0 0 Robert Alford 5 0 0 0 Brooks Reed 4 1.5 0 0 Ra'Shede Hageman 1 0.5 0 0 Tyson Jackson 1 0.5 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Matt Bryant 2/3 2/2 8 28 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Matt Bosher 2 42 21 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Taylor Gabriel 4 83 20.8 0

Oakland Raiders PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Derek Carr 21-30 287 3 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Taiwan Jones 31 80 2.6 2 Derek Carr 4 14 3.5 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Clive Walford 6 93 15.5 0 Seth Roberts 4 69 17.3 0 Michael Crabtree 4 45 11.3 1 Amari Cooper 3 66 22 0 Taiwan Jones 3 14 4.7 1 Mychal Rivera 1 0 0 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Aldon Smith 10 0 0 0 Reggie Nelson 10 0 0 0 Bruce Irvin 7 2 0 0 Khalil Mack 7 4 0 0 Jhad Ward 7 1 0 0 Stacy McGee 4 1 0 0 Perry Riley Jr. 2 0 1 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Sebastian Janikowski 1/2 6/6 9 39 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Marquette King 4 154 38.5 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Johnny Holton 3 59 19.7 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Taiwan Jones 1 13 13 0

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[HighCmpPct]

Hey Skins, Tyler, and Cable... So you guys mind taking a quick peek at some of my box scores (specifically the 49ers ones) and see if you think I'm getting a good number of total plays a game? Or if you think I might should bump up to 10 minutes a game.

Thanks,
HCP.

[tyler28]

Quote: Originally Posted by HighCmpPct

Hey Skins, Tyler, and Cable... So you guys mind taking a quick peek at some of my box scores (specifically the 49ers ones) and see if you think I'm getting a good number of total plays a game? Or if you think I might should bump up to 10 minutes a game. Thanks, HCP.

For some reason your stats dont show on tapatalk. Thats usually what i use to follow. Ill check them out on the cpu later today but for reference of what im seeing ill post this..

I was on 12 min 13 sec run off and i would hit 120 but the games felt long and often lead to high scores and elivated stats for both sides. Not all the time but higher than i liked.

I dropped to 10 min 20 sec. And i counted around 103 - 110 in my testing phase. Scores are right on point and so are stats. Im really not worried about play count if i can hit that.

The nfl average is around 64 per team per game but im not sure that translates well to madden to hit that magic 120 for the above reasons. Im not sure your play count but id shoot for 105 to 110 in play count.

Which is passing attemps + rushing attemps+ sacks. Dont count special team plays. But if you do on 10 min 20sec your probably close to 120 w st plays but thats not an official count.

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[D81SKINS]

Quote: Originally Posted by tyler28

Test results 10min/20sec I played this game exactly how ive played the others so nothing will be in favor of ootb or anything like that. Right off the bat the kicking meter is faster and not a guarantee hit every time. 1st drive of the game, the bengals marched down the field. Daulton had more movement in the pocket and better awareness. I can already tell the difference in ai play. I can tell the tackling is better and the cpu angles are better. Dallas 1st drive ended in a fg. Running definitely felt tougher and coverage was tighter. End of 1st qt. 2 long drives by both offenses 7-3 bengals Bengals return it to the 45 and make swiss cheese outta dallas d. But we make a stand at the two . They come away with a fg 10- 3 bengals Dallas drives down the field still hard to find running room. Romo leads them to the 1. Bengals hold. Dal fg. 10-6 Bengals ball under 2 min to half. Bengals drive down w ease td Bengals 17-6 halftime dallas to receive Dallas fumble on the return, bengals recover. Booth review, overturned Dallas ball . Shew Dallas converts on 4th and 1 at ben 46, drive continues Bengals d holds again as romo gets erratic in the redzone. Dal fg Ben 17- 9 We need a stop. Dal holds in redzone end of 3rd, 2 long drives again. Ben 20-9 Romo is shaken 2 inaccurate passes in a row. 3 and out. Dal finally holds. 1 1st down and punt. Dallas ball. 7 min left 3 and out..romo playing terrible in the clutch, wasting chances Bengals 3 and out. Romo lets go Romo converts 1 4th down but cant get 2. Bengals take over Running out the clock 2 min warning. Benard 25 yrd run to seal it. Made some nice moves Bengals hit fg 23-9 Prescott in for garbage time. Int thats it. Bengals win 23-9 . Man the gameplay is great ,challenge is great, ai it great. Qb acc was great. There isnt one slider guy that can tell me the patched version is better or that the positives out way the negatives. Its just not the case. Its night and how how much better this is. Im just at a loss why people ignore it or go against it. Lol their loss. And for all those slider guys thats say you need like 5 seasons of play to make that judgement try what i did, switch right from a patched version to unpatched ,exact settings and see. I dont need 5 season to evaluate sliders or gameplay. Lol Here are the stats. Look at romos acc and my rushing stats. Its just amazing how much better it is Sorry about the long post, just having fun. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

I believe some, so called "slider gurus" don't even play Madden, but that's beside the point.

So even All-Madden plays better w/ the OOTB version.
I don't know how guys can keep playing the updated version, mainly due to the QBA on the user side being so OP'd.

Bottom line is we are having some of the most true to ratings and gameplay that we've ever seen in Madden, by going ootb.
If others want to argue that the updated version is better, oh well,

We know the differences and have plenty of game data, videos posted, etc. That back up our argument.
They don't have anything to show but opinions and theories, of which don't hold much water

[gman2774]

Quote: Originally Posted by tc020791

No worries. Going with the QB workaround instead. Thanks! Finally starting my CFM! Too bad it wasn't until December 4th, oh well. Just glad I finally have the game playing well. Starting Week 1 Regular Season with my Ravens 8 Minute Quarters Default All-Pro, Everything including penalties at 50 except INT INT 30/30 ** 75 Man Pre Season updated by me (ratings, free agents, trades, #'s, positions) All QB Traits set to Trigger Happy (no more 8 sack games), and lots changed to scrambling (Ex. Wentz) Will make Custom PB for each team as I go along. No more 4 verts!! I will also being playing atleast one other game every week throughout the season, as I have 32 team control on. Will post all box scores here and will stream every game I play for anyone who wants to see what getting the full potential out of the OOTB version looks like. https://www.twitch.tv/tc020791

In all your opinions, is it necessary to use custom play books and modify QB traits to get ootb version to play well? What's the downside of not doing that? It seems to me the lack of QB scramble and stale repetitive CPU play calling was an issue pre patches. Was hoping maybe the day one patch caused those issues and that the true ootb would play out better overall. Thanks!

[D81SKINS]

Quote: Originally Posted by HighCmpPct

No doubt the game definitely plays better out of the box. I'm coming back from trip and since I was using the hotels free WiFi I figured what the hell I'll see what like with the patches and tuners. No....just....no. It's horrible with the patch, high scores all the time no rough hard played defensive games. Which of you just look back at some of my posts I was getting before. And of course their's the QB accuracy issue, but even more than that for me was that it seemed no matter what I called or audibled or anything there was almost always a guy pretty much wide open. I mean I could've had a sky high completion % with those looks. Only thing that I hate about going back is losing the color rush unis. Really wish EA had made the dlc instead of combined with a patch. But oh well I'll be deleting all of it when I get home. At least I was able to get some updated rosters out of it.

Definitely good to see.(found this on pg. 54, top of pg)
I went back to pg. 50 to calculate all your total plays from then till now.
User and CPU, I will post your avgs asap.

Thanks for sharing all the game stats and thoughts, it means more than just opinions and therioes imo.

[StefJoeHalt]

Quote: Originally Posted by gcoons22

In all your opinions, is it necessary to use custom play books and modify QB traits to get ootb version to play well? What's the downside of not doing that? It seems to me the lack of QB scramble and stale repetitive CPU play calling was an issue pre patches. Was hoping maybe the day one patch caused those issues and that the true ootb would play out better overall. Thanks!

I have found it helps the overall experience..have not played a game without then since moving to "OOTB"

[D81SKINS]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trojan Man

Just chiming in to say that I gave pre-patch game play a try as a result of this thread, and I agree with your assessment, D81. This is a much more dynamic game out of the box than after the patches. It's sad that this is so. Playcalling is better. Fatigue, even with accelerated clock, is better. QB AI is way better. Anyway, just wanted to corroborate. I'm staying out of the main threads with this, but to me, going back to default OOTB game play is much more enjoyable.

Good to hear from you, Trojan Man
Feel free to post some games if your still playing.
Thanks for the honest feedback bro.