Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

[Detroit Tigers]

So I’m holding R1, which is (((theoretically))) tied directly to facemask penalties (strip ball mechanic + facemask = same button = mirror function; strip-ball coach adjustment = “higher risk of facemask,” aggressive tackle attempt in combat with conservative ballcarrier = higher facemask probability.

My last play, I’m holding R1 because I do that a lot anyway, *and* I literally get a facemask animation, the facemask penalty slider is on 99 and STILL no call.

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It’s like, it’s there, they put everything in, it all makes sense, and then, for no reason at all, we can’t have it.

[roe]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I'd say at least half of the sliders clearly don't work at all.

It took Interceptions being completely ridiculous for them to admit and fix that

[roadman]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Besides the legacy coding issues and Madden 16, penalties have never

really mattered to the Madden team.

My only reason of thinking is that they wouldn't want penalties to

disrupt the flow of tournaments by triggering on a game ending play.

It's been a pet peeve of mine for a decade or more.

I paid for the game, let me play with it in my own world and sandbox.

[ChicagoChris]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I hear you. Penalties are there but they are kinda random. I have seen DPI, OPI, holding etc but even with the sliders maxed, they are a bit off.

[kennylc321]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Before the patches, I actually saw a late hit out of bounds here and there as well as OPI here and there. It's almost as though they said "whoa... how in the world did something so realistic make it in the game!?!?! We better take care of this!"

It is not answering the question but I've given up with EA. Absolutely no excuse that something that was an issue three consoles ago still exists.

[ML]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Besides the legacy coding issues and Madden 16, penalties have never

really mattered to the Madden team.

My only reason of thinking is that they wouldn't want penalties to

disrupt the flow of tournaments by triggering on a game ending play.

It's been a pet peeve of mine for a decade or more.

I paid for the game, let me play with it in my own world and sandbox.

Yes, but you'd think that if they had multiple game modes, "Simulation" would be able to have penalty sliders do what they are intended to do, while "Competitive" would make them essentially useless.

[oneamongthefence]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Yes, but you'd think that if they had multiple game modes, "Simulation" would be able to have penalty sliders do what they are intended to do, while "Competitive" would make them essentially useless.

It why QBs always fumble when tackled. It's why user defenders are so lazy in coverage. Everything is tuned to competitive head to head. There's no accounting for simulation. In a simulation QBs getting hit would be an issue because of injuries and not fumbles. A lot of the original coaching adjustments had pros and cons that specifically mentioned penalties. Now it's all gameplay oriented.

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[Sphinx]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I thought the whole point of having the arcade/sim/comp option was to allow for things like penalties to work better. For some reason I remember that being one of the claims when those options were added.

Obviously they don't help or really differentiate the play modes at all. At this point sim may as well be labeled arcade ridiculous tackles and no penalties even when you truly deserve them. I have deliberately pass interfered the cpu and I mean and egregious PI and didn't get flagged. A one off like that is fine, that happens in the nfl but I can get multiple a game were no flag gets tossed. I think Roadman is probably right in that the majority of the blame on this goes back to the reused/coded on top of 20-30 year old madden code.

It'll never get fixed and this will likely be my last madden. I'm sure college football will be a mess but at least it might still feel fresh simply by being college.

[roadman]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Yes, but you'd think that if they had multiple game modes, "Simulation" would be able to have penalty sliders do what they are intended to do, while "Competitive" would make them essentially useless.

Yep, if I was going to expand on my point, it would have been this.

They haven't addressed the Sim/Comp side for at least a decade.

Mind boggling.

[voodoo_magic]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

One thing that's strange is the roughing the passer penalty. It's called a decent amount and if you up the slider from 50 to 51 it's crazy.
Not that I want them to take away a penalty that kinda works but doesn't this affect the online tourny's and hut? Or is it turned off for online? I never play online so unsure about that.
If there hasn't been a huge backlash about that then are the online players really concerned about other penalties or is it EA's spin on things?
I feel like it's either someone in corporate who believes fixing things like this brings in no new revenue so it's just not dealt with. Or the programmers are not good enough? Like in the example by the op, the animation is there but some coding is not having the penalty be called.

[kpeercy]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

Lack of penalties is the entire reason that I've bought and shelved the game for two straight years without even coming close to finishing a single franchise season. I can't do it. Penalties are a HUGE part of football and without them, I'll pass.

I know someone said M16 was the only version with realistic penalties, but M20 has plenty of penalties. I still play it and there are 8-10 called per game. Penalties were nerfed with a M21 patch in November or December of 2020. Before that, they were functional. After that patch, they were essentially gone and have never returned.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I hear you. Penalties are there but they are kinda random. I have seen DPI, OPI, holding etc but even with the sliders maxed, they are a bit off.

Aren,t real life penaltys random too?

[Tweeg]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I don't wanna be that guy, but doesn't it feel like if NFL2K was allowed to continue, we would have had different referee crews that each have their own style?

They'd probably have an outside official explaining things to you during replay challenges too.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I don't wanna be that guy, but doesn't it feel like if NFL2K was allowed to continue, we would have had different referee crews that each have their own style?

They'd probably have an outside official explaining things to you during replay challenges too.

Theres no way telling which direction 2k would have taken their football game. I could see itgoing south like there MLB 2kBaseball game, or goingthe other direction, like 2k NBA and far surpassing EA NBA Live.

[Fall_DIFH]

Re: Have they ever commented on why penalties are nerfed on simulation?

I don't wanna be that guy, but doesn't it feel like if NFL2K was allowed to continue, we would have had different referee crews that each have their own style?

They'd probably have an outside official explaining things to you during replay challenges too.

It’s 2022 and you still can’t choose WHAT you want to challenge. If my guy is approaching the first down and fumbles, you have to hope it lets you challenge the right one.