Next Gen core engine is the same

**Carlboy82** · 12-07-2013, 01:33 PM

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Absolutely agree. Its what I expected from EA, but i kept hoping my expectations would be wrong. Look up the word "Disappoining" in the dictionary, and youll see the EA logo next to it. At my age, im running out of time for next generation consoles, and Madden Football. The only thing more disappointing then EA, is my Chicago Cubs.

**bkrich83** · 12-07-2013, 01:42 PM

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You could say the same thing about NBA2k14, and will probably be able to for The Show. What's your point?

**The7LiterWizard** · 12-07-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by bkrich83

You could say the same thing about NBA2k14, and will probably be able to for The Show. What's your point?

What's your point? Don't get so defensive.

I hate basketball, but picked up NBA2k14. I also bought Madden. I'm much more into football. After spending about 20 hours on both games, Madden feels broken to me and NBA2k14 I can get through games without it feeling broken (the gameplay feels smooth, and the small things are nice). NBA resembles what you see on TV. Madden couldn't be further than what I see on TV on Sundays. MLB The Show plays a great simulation ballgame. Not even on the same wavelength as those two titles, since you brought it up.

**kpkpkp** · 12-07-2013, 02:14 PM

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2K Sports Baseball on the 360...

*shudders*

**bkrich83** · 12-07-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by The7LiterWizard

What's your point? Don't get so defensive.

I hate basketball, but picked up NBA2k14. I also bought Madden. I'm much more into football. After spending about 20 hours on both games, Madden feels broken to me and NBA2k14 I can get through games without it feeling broken (the gameplay feels smooth, and the small things are nice). NBA resembles what you see on TV. Madden couldn't be further than what I see on TV on Sundays. MLB The Show plays a great simulation ballgame. Not even on the same wavelength as those two titles, since you brought it up.

I think you need to lookup the definition of "defensive". Nothing I said was remotely defensive.

Your other points are all fine and dandy and I generally agree with you, but they are simply opinions and they really don't have anything to do with the original point of the thread. You're shifting topics in order to try to counter my point, which essentially proves my point.

**hioh631** · 12-07-2013, 02:58 PM

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There is no such thing as an engine "built from the ground up". Next gen madden is a modified engine, Nba is a modified engine. So on and so forth.

**FaceMask** · 12-07-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by FinnZzgo

After playing over 100 games,I can pretty much tell that the core game engine is still the same.EA keeps adding on these layer engines over the same old core.It feels better but still robotic and stale.It should of been built from the ground up.Your thoughts?

Yep, I said that from the beginning. But this is the engine we're going to be stuck with for the next 5-9 years (or however long this gen lasts). Sad to think about, but that's the deal.

**FaceMask** · 12-07-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by bkrich83

You could say the same thing about NBA2k14, and will probably be able to for The Show. What's your point?

It could be said, but it wouldn't make any sense. The major and I mean MAJOR difference is that NBA 2K and The Show are ********* games that define their respective sports and the gaming generations they belong to. Ground-up overhauls for those game were unnecessary.

Madden is a game that fails in practically every phase of replicating the sport of football, whether it's just X's and O's or presentation, and is behind not just other sports games, but also behind other football games from the past. Heck, NCAA 14 is a better game than Madden 25 in a number of ways and that game has plenty of its own problems. A ground-up overhaul of Madden was imperative. Tiburon was only able to get away with not doing it because they're literally the only football game in town.

**FaceMask** · 12-07-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by hioh631

There is no such thing as an engine "built from the ground up". Next gen madden is a modified engine, Nba is a modified engine. So on and so forth.

While you're correct that PS4/XB1 Madden and NBA 2K are both modified, you're incorrect in stating that there is no such thing as "built from the ground up". All it essentially means is starting over, and Madden has had enough problems that completely starting over makes total sense. This engine should've never been continued with into a new generation.

**Sigma4Life** · 12-07-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by FinnZzgo

After playing over 100 games,I can pretty much tell that the core game engine is still the same.EA keeps adding on these layer engines over the same old core.It feels better but still robotic and stale.It should of been built from the ground up.Your thoughts?

Building an entirely new engine did wonders for NBA Live. EA should definitely do the same for Madden.

Sarcasm aside, I think EA did the exact right thing to keep the same engine and build upon it. It's a shame that folks have such a short memory. Anyone recall how horrible Madden was when Xbox 360 launched. EA learned their lesson and decided to build an upgradable engine instead of trying to build everything from scratch.

Personally I think Madden 25 next gen is a solid improvement over the 360 and ps3 versions. The AI and general football strategy is MUCH improved.

**FaceMask** · 12-07-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sigma4Life

Building an entirely new engine did wonders for NBA Live. EA should definitely do the same for Madden.

But that's just another indictment on EA, not on the need for a complete overhaul of this dinosaur engine.

**The7LiterWizard** · 12-07-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by FaceMask

It could be said, but it wouldn't make any sense. The major and I mean MAJOR difference is that NBA 2K and The Show are ********* games that define their respective sports and the gaming generations they belong to. Ground-up overhauls for those game were unnecessary.

Madden is a game that fails in practically every phase of replicating the sport of football, whether it's just X's and O's or presentation, and is behind not just other sports games, but also behind other football games from the past. Heck, NCAA 14 is a better game than Madden 25 in a number of ways and that game has plenty of its own problems. A ground-up overhaul of Madden was imperative. Tiburon was only able to get away with not doing it because they're literally the only football game in town.

This is essentially everything that needed to be said on the subject. Kudos sir.

**Sigma4Life** · 12-07-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by FaceMask

But that's just another indictment on EA, not on the need for a complete overhaul of this dinosaur engine.

I agree that EA's Madden team doesn't seem to advance their engine very quickly. The 2K football dev team was definitely more talented based on the evidence we have.

Give EA credit though, the most important thing you can do is know yourself. They know and accept what they are NOT capable of on a yearly basis and they don't try to bite off more than they can chew.

I think next year's Madden will be a huge improvement over this iteration though. Animations, AI and graphics will improve a ton and be a lot less robotic.

**roadman** · 12-07-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by FaceMask

It could be said, but it wouldn't make any sense. The major and I mean MAJOR difference is that NBA 2K and The Show are ********* games that define their respective sports and the gaming generations they belong to. Ground-up overhauls for those game were unnecessary.

Madden is a game that fails in practically every phase of replicating the sport of football, whether it's just X's and O's or presentation, and is behind not just other sports games, but also behind other football games from the past. Heck, NCAA 14 is a better game than Madden 25 in a number of ways and that game has plenty of its own problems. A ground-up overhaul of Madden was imperative. Tiburon was only able to get away with not doing it because they're literally the only football game in town.

A ground-up overhaul? Repeat the same mistakes as LG to CG? Nah, I don't think that was the plan.

You mention NBA 2k? Playing the game is good, but it's missing a lot of features that a lot of people are passionate about, including me.

One look at the 2k forums here and there's threads about being bamboozled, missing features, VC, etc..... similar to the forums of Madden for 06.

I know you and I differ on Madden 25 NG and that's fine. I agree that NFL football isn't totally represented in all facets, but it's much better than CG for me and I'm not the lone ranger in that area, either.

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