Official Madden 15 E3 Video Thread

[BezO]

I wonder where they get this feedback.

The problem with tackling is judging the distance? I've not heard anyone say this. I've always heard & felt is was the ball carrier's ability to ignore human limitations. They are just too quick. Not being able to grab doesn't help. Nor does the lack of gang tackling.

Folks needed help with play calling? Everyone complains about the ability to create plays at the line. That implies a great understanding of play calling & what works against what. Re-tier the playbook. Separate formations from personnel. And put all the route combinations in all possible formations. Give folks the tools to run an offense the way coaches & QBs do.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

I wonder where they get this feedback. The problem with tackling is judging the distance? I've not heard anyone say this. I've always heard & felt is was the ball carrier's ability to ignore human limitations. They are just too quick. Not being able to grab doesn't help. Nor does the lack of gang tackling. Folks needed help with play calling? Everyone complains about the ability to create plays at the line. That implies a great understanding of play calling & what works against what. Re-tier the playbook. Separate formations from personnel. And put all the route combinations in all possible formations. Give folks the tools to run an offense the way coaches & QBs do.

As far as tackling Rex said that because the way it used to be wasnt realistic. He's looking at it from the perspective of being a former football player and how tackling really works.

[OhMrHanky]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

I'll ask and for the second part Rex said they worked a new system for the stats to be based on qtr length for simming games. I believe it was in the interview with Rich Grisham.

I'm actually talking about supersimming DURING a game. I believe what you're mentioning is for overall stat creation based on other games being simmed during the season. Which is good. But, just for clarity, here, I'm talking about the supersim function within a game being played. This isn't about stat creation, here. It's more about simming individual plays and utilizing the play clock properly to ultimately generate the correct stats. So, if u find that out, too. Let me know. Thanks.


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[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by OhMrHanky

I'm actually talking about supersimming DURING a game. I believe what you're mentioning is for overall stat creation based on other games being simmed during the season. Which is good. But, just for clarity, here, I'm talking about the supersim function within a game being played. This isn't about stat creation, here. It's more about simming individual plays and utilizing the play clock properly to ultimately generate the correct stats. So, if u find that out, too. Let me know. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I thought Rex said for sim during a game but I could be wrong. I'm going to listen to it tonight hopefully if my son gets discharged, had a setback last night.

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

As far as tackling Rex said that because the way it used to be wasnt realistic. He's looking at it from the perspective of being a former football player and how tackling really works.

I'm still not getting it. 1, it doesn't look realistic now. 2, how does the cone make it more realistic. 3, how does that cone help veterans that won't be playing on lower levels? 4, tackling works irl because everyone has to adhere to the limitations of the human body, and there are 10 other guys that can & will help a defender tackle. 5, defenders have assignments that put them in position to tackle. What he said & what the community has been suggesting is not lining up.

And I know these DBs he spoke with mentioned interaction & body positioning. But he did only say zone coverage, so...

IDK, I guess he has to promote what was done, but his spiel is off IMO. This could be so much more productive if him & other devs were open to direct communication with the community. It would be nice to know what's being worked on, when it will be introduced & how that relates to what the stated target audience is expecting.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

I'm still not getting it. 1, it doesn't look realistic now. 2, how does the cone make it more realistic. 3, how does that cone help veterans that won't be playing on lower levels? 4, tackling works irl because everyone has to adhere to the limitations of the human body, and there are 10 other guys that can & will help a defender tackle. 5, defenders have assignments that put them in position to tackle. What he said & what the community has been suggesting is not lining up. And I know these DBs he spoke with mentioned interaction & body positioning. But he did only say zone coverage, so... IDK, I guess he has to promote what was done, but his spiel is off IMO. This could be so much more productive if him & other devs were open to direct communication with the community. It would be nice to know what's being worked on, when it will be introduced & how that relates to what the stated target audience is expecting.

The cone is off by default once you raise the difficulty above pro. Rex said the Steelers DBs worked on zone and man coverage with them, not sure why you think it's only zone.

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

The cone is off by default once you raise the difficulty above pro.

Exactly. So how does it improve the tackling for gamers that will be playing on those levels? I guess by turning it back on, but experienced gamers don't need it, and it's not the reason tackling is harder than it should be.

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Rex said the Steelers DBs worked on zone and man coverage with them, not sure why you think it's only zone.

In the vid you posted, it sounded like he only said zone. I'm at work with the volume low.

Physicality is a big part of man coverage. Hell, it's a big part of zone coverage too. To improve coverage and not implement WR/DB interaction seems odd.

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

I'm still not getting it. 1, it doesn't look realistic now. 2, how does the cone make it more realistic. 3, how does that cone help veterans that won't be playing on lower levels? 4, tackling works irl because everyone has to adhere to the limitations of the human body, and there are 10 other guys that can & will help a defender tackle. 5, defenders have assignments that put them in position to tackle. What he said & what the community has been suggesting is not lining up. And I know these DBs he spoke with mentioned interaction & body positioning. But he did only say zone coverage, so... IDK, I guess he has to promote what was done, but his spiel is off IMO. This could be so much more productive if him & other devs were open to direct communication with the community. It would be nice to know what's being worked on, when it will be introduced & how that relates to what the stated target audience is expecting.

What you need to realize, Bezo, is that they are not targeting people like you. Decisions like these are coming from people who are interested in one thing. That thing is "how do we INCREASE the sales of Madden". The easy thing for an out of touch bean counter to grab at is ACCESSIBILITY. "The game is too hard and it turns off gamers". Remember, it's not just to get people to buy the game, but to leave it in the tray at all times and hopefully you will spend more money on microtransactions and things like MUT. This is a model not unique to Madden. However, what IS unique to Madden is a lack of options to customize the game to suit both the simulation gamer and the 10 year old Timmy who wants to throw for 800 yards a game with Peyton Manning. I don't have an issue with them adding a "tackle cone" or something like that as long as it does not impede progress on important gameplay elements. Also, I don't want things like a tackle cone used as band aids instead of enhancing the player movement and player interactions that should continuously be improved each iteration of the game.

They have yet to implement WR/DB interaction, but I am not terribly upset about that. What will upset me is if they have delayed it and it turns out to be crap. If you are going to do it, then don't put it in until it's right and it works great. It needs to be at least as good if not better than what was done in older games. The path and direction is good, but more needs to be done to make Madden great again.