Madden NFL 15 Trailer - Tackling Mechanics

[NicVirtue]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

This is a video montage that literally has those kind of hits in it, and it's from the NFL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS91y9WHuiM I understand the point of those kind of hits happening less often, but to say they don't happen at all, I gotta disagree with you there man. Ultimately, you also gotta factor in the "it's a video game" element as well. Like I said, I agree that it should be nullified to an extent, but if it was EA, 2k, or whoever the name brand, if there's a "big hit" button command, that's exactly what people expect to see when that controller command is entered when playing these games....a big hit.

90% of those hits involve the hitter going down as well. The majority of big hits in Madden look like it came out a fighting game. It's not big hits being in Madden that's in question, it's HOW they are done.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

This is a video montage that literally has those kind of hits in it, and it's from the NFL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS91y9WHuiM I understand the point of those kind of hits happening less often, but to say they don't happen at all, I gotta disagree with you there man. Ultimately, you also gotta factor in the "it's a video game" element as well. Like I said, I agree that it should be nullified to an extent, but if it was EA, 2k, or whoever the name brand, if there's a "big hit" button command, that's exactly what people expect to see when that controller command is entered when playing these games....a big hit.

Et tu, Smitty?

I don't know you personally man but I did and have followed your Youtube videos, radio show, etc, kind of surprised maybe to see you take such a stance. I agree gamers expect to have a big impact occur when using a "big hit" button but that doesn't need to translate into an outcome out of context for the situation. I think any gamer would be just as satisfied to see the in-game player attempt a "big hit" and they receive the worst end of it if applicable, like in real life.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

This is a video montage that literally has those kind of hits in it, and it's from the NFL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS91y9WHuiM I understand the point of those kind of hits happening less often, but to say they don't happen at all, I gotta disagree with you there man. Ultimately, you also gotta factor in the "it's a video game" element as well. Like I said, I agree that it should be nullified to an extent, but if it was EA, 2k, or whoever the name brand, if there's a "big hit" button command, that's exactly what people expect to see when that controller command is entered when playing these games....a big hit.

Out of 4 minutes of footage I saw 3 maybe 4 of the type of hits I'm talking about. I saw the same about in 1 minute and some change in the Madden trailer.

I understand ya point and your position, and you've played the game, but going off what I know about Madden, this stuff happens all the time in the wrong instances.

[SageInfinite]

Just noticed something I really liked in the trailer. At about :27 seconds I saw that the Eagles lineman was beat and instead of just standing there flat footed and dumb like in Madden 25, he was actually chasing behind the defender. I know it was mentioned by Clint on twitter, but it was nice to see it in the footage.

Also noticing that guys are still putting hands on defenders even if they're beat. It's nice to see evidence of the interactions and player sense improving.

[wordtobigbird]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

Just noticed something I really liked in the trailer. At about :27 seconds I saw that the Eagles lineman was beat and instead of just standing there flat footed and dumb like in Madden 25, he was actually chasing behind the defender. I know it was mentioned by Clint on twitter, but it was nice to see it in the footage. Also noticing that guys are still putting hands on defenders even if they're beat. It's nice to see evidence of the interactions and player sense improving.

At :14 you see the RB help on the double team, knock the defender down with him and both get up and continue the play. RB chip blocks?

[juduking]

It looks like height and weight do not matter when tackling again this year. All of these tackles looked purely hit power ratings. Lynch gets trucked, Shonne Green gets dismantled, Matt Forte gets plowed. These are large very muscular human beings and are just getting thrown around like they are weightless. I asked Clint on twitter if he knew about editing height and weight but have yet to hear back from him. I hope they can clear it up and that this video was just showing "extreme" cases of big time hits.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by wordtobigbird

At :14 you see the RB help on the double team, knock the defender down with him and both get up and continue the play. RB chip blocks?

Definitely looks like it. They were in Madden 25 next gen, but weren't consistent. This game looks like a much better overall product than Madden 25. Looks can be deceiving though. The game seems so far away.

[wordtobigbird]

Quote: Originally Posted by juduking

It looks like height and weight do not matter when tackling again this year. All of these tackles looked purely hit power ratings. Lynch gets trucked, Shonne Green gets dismantled, Matt Forte gets plowed. These are large very muscular human beings and are just getting thrown around like they are weightless. I asked Clint on twitter if he knew about editing height and weight but have yet to hear back from him. I hope they can clear it up and that this video was just showing "extreme" cases of big time hits.

Unfortunately it's clear it's not there yet as far as physics go. What will be importance is the frequency of these types of hits. Like with the M25 the RB won the battle with his truck move more often than not. Especially a human RB. Also look at who's doing the hitting. Willis, Keuchly, Cushing, Mayo, Briggs. Lofton's hit wasn't as brutal. I mentioned it before but I'm still waiting to see the risk reward of the tackling system. They talked about how balanced the game is in that other interview so time will tell. Getting an Xbox One for this (and Destiny and playing online with my friends again) most likely.