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Old 07-19-2014, 12:41 PM   #249
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The older teams are taking a bad rap on this point...

I know from first hand experience that guys like Ian and his team were hyper-sensitive to testing for and fixing bugs and exploits - doing it in real time at past community events even (or in Ian's case online and posting options and changes to be viewed)....the problem is a dev team - even as large as Madden has - is MASSIVELY out gunned on release day for finding exploits and bugs...take 100 game testers and give them 2 weeks (80 hours x 100 testers = 80,000 hours) and compare that to release day + internet forums/chat rooms = 4,000,000 users at even 30 minutes each = 2,000,000 hours...

I appreciate the efforts we are seeing, but its just not right to say other teams did not try or care...they may not have been as good or as up front, but this team is just as out gunned in the end as any other...I expect PLENTY of glitches...I just hope that they are able to patch and or offer enough manual options to counter them as they have shown so far!
I wasn't even trying to bash the other teams but, I haven't seen any previous teams seem to work this hard at making head to head games as fair as this team is. I said I'm sure they won't catch everything. I k ow there used to be a fair play option but, that's just a band aid for poor game design. I'm sure Ian and others wanted the same things this teams what's. This teams seems like they want the game it self to be balanced and realistic enough that you don't need fair play.

Ultimately the proof is in the pudding and I'm ready to play it to see for myself.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:49 PM   #250
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Its been so long since I've felt this feeling.

The upfront and honest presentation of what this game has and doesnt will go a very long way to gaining back trust and purchases from your most dedicated fans. Rex kudos to you and the team for realizing that this game needs to go in a realistic direction.

Loved the bluff blitz and that you can actually shade defenders inside, outside, or over the top in coverage(dont know if it was in 25). Also like the addition of disguised coverages. What would make it even more in depth is to have pre-play adjustments for Strong 3 Shell, Weak 3 Shell, 1 High etc if possible.

Most of what was shown I really liked. Just a few main points that will put Madden over the top for me again.

1. Animations/Player Movement(obviously)

2. CPU AI; everything we can do the AI should be able to do as well. H2H is great but dont forget about us single player guys please!

3. Realistic Penalites/Challenge System

4. Deeper Playbook Capabilites; Formation Subs

5. Deep Realistic CFM; If you guys are going the route of realism please remove XP! Or at least allow an option for hiring coaches that affect players ratings and progression.

With those 5 points you guys will have yourselves a very great game. I havent bought a new Madden since 13 and 09 before that. Feels good to be excited about my favorite sports gaming genre again.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:53 PM   #251
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One thing I forgot to mention in my previous praise was the beauty of seeing a defender attack the correct shoulder instead of simply engaging the blocker straight on like it has always been. I just wanted to cry it was so beautiful. This sort of logic not only improves the game overall, but should also improve the efficacy of the 3-4 defense.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:57 PM   #252
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Noticed that too. Might hav had something to do with him taking the field following a change of possession instead of the start of the game
The reason for that was that both players went into the play calling screen too quick. When you do that it doesnt show the QB presentation.
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Guys i think we probably need to stop worrying about the older teams, that really isn't relevant any more. If you think Rex is great, why does that have to mean the older guys are getting bashed? I've said all along this team gets it AND they have the people above them backing their direction. Perhaps Ian and those guys got it too but they didn't get support from those above them. I hope as we move into M15 and from now on we can let these sleeping dogs lie. W,hat happened in the past can't be changed whether you thought the previous guys were good or bad. This team needs to be judged separately and in their own way based on the final product, not the accomplishments or failures of those before them. As a Packers fan this is like comparing the team of the 90s with Favre, to the current team with Rodgers. They are in different eras with different people around them.

Another thing, this team has the benefit of new technology, but again it's also a different era with different people. What matters is the present and where we are going, hopefully the current team learns from the past and continues to push for authenticity over exploits and money plays.


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I think everyone is putting the cart before the horse here. We are all excited to see a team actually pushing in the right direction, but by no means has this football game eclipsed the games of the past even. There are still a lot of eye sores that are in Madden 15, even by the devs admission. The real proof is in the product and what gets delivered. Good will and transparency is great and all, and it is appreciated, but at the end of the day, we aren't going out for beers together or anything. The product is what matters, and it still has a long way to go.
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The older teams are taking a bad rap on this point...

I know from first hand experience that guys like Ian and his team were hyper-sensitive to testing for and fixing bugs and exploits - doing it in real time at past community events even (or in Ian's case online and posting options and changes to be viewed)....the problem is a dev team - even as large as Madden has - is MASSIVELY out gunned on release day for finding exploits and bugs...take 100 game testers and give them 2 weeks (80 hours x 100 testers = 80,000 hours) and compare that to release day + internet forums/chat rooms = 4,000,000 users at even 30 minutes each = 2,000,000 hours...

I appreciate the efforts we are seeing, but its just not right to say other teams did not try or care...they may not have been as good or as up front, but this team is just as out gunned in the end as any other...I expect PLENTY of glitches...I just hope that they are able to patch and or offer enough manual options to counter them as they have shown so far!
A comparison of the two teams might not be fair for a host of reasons but neither is the state of NFL gaming exclusively under Tiburon, so it is what it is. The things under Ian, good, bad or indifferent are history and can't be rewritten, while these guys are doing things now. It all comes down to results and who's/what edition delivers, good intentions and trying hard are secondary. If these guys are able to deliver the things they are touting and claim to be trying to, they'll be remembered more fondly then any of the other teams that came before them, which couldn't for whatever reasons. Again, fair or not, that's life.
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I think everyone is putting the cart before the horse here. We are all excited to see a team actually pushing in the right direction, but by no means has this football game eclipsed the games of the past even. There are still a lot of eye sores that are in Madden 15, even by the devs admission. The real proof is in the product and what gets delivered. Good will and transparency is great and all, and it is appreciated, but at the end of the day, we aren't going out for beers together or anything. The product is what matters, and it still has a long way to go.
Agreed. I think a lot of us have prefaced our excitement with reserved judgment until the final product though. It is encouraging to see Madden's development direction at this point through an allegedly more fundamental approach to football mechanics, and acknowledging legacy issues. Perhaps the most important thing in any of this is the admission of the game's shortcomings and flat out terrible aspects from its developers, and professing a real drive to sort that crap out.

IMO having the devs admit these things, account for them, and express a desire to solve them over the long-term gives some hope as a customer that core gameplay has a long-term direction I'm interested in. The "Madden" style of gameplay has been stale to me for years now. I can accept some aspects taking a while to change because Rex and team are still confined to the revenue strategies of EA and the annual release cycle, but more detailed gameplay will freshen things up and get me more engaged.

The game may turn out to be a disaster, but still, it hasn't been often we've seen Madden devs host a livestream like this pre-release where they've shown gameplay, and "labbed" improvements for us, and even been willing to go into replay mode to show stuff off. We'll know fairly soon if this was genius marketing, but I don't see the logic in peddling this stuff to a small portion of the consumer base (the "hardcore" OS-type communities) as a marketing deception.

One other little aside. For the most part I was impressed with the collision detection in the box in the run game. It mostly seemed/looked quite fluid, and the RB navigated traffic quite well.
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