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Old 07-28-2014, 03:59 PM   #9
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Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

Yeah, the lack of proper defensive gap assignments and gap control is a big big sticking point in the game's implementation right now, and is a completely valid criticism.

I'm hopeful that the addition of passing play concepts (and teaching these concepts in the Skills Trainter) is a launching point for Tiburon getting really nitty-gritty with the details of football over the next few years.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:01 PM   #10
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Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

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This game still does not use a gap assignment system. Its a part of EVERY football teams defense yet still don't see it in the game. The d line doesn't control there gaps on the run , they're doing spin moves out of the gap and the RBs just gashes us up their gaps. And the line backers don't attack their gaps , this isn't a football game at all. Its frustrating, we have cars that drive themselves and they can't even do this.
Most people dont care about this. I'm a football fan and Im not too concerned about this. Much bigger things to improve imo. Not saying I would have a problem if they worked on it. I just dont think it should be a priority.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:55 PM   #11
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Most people dont care about this. I'm a football fan and Im not too concerned about this. Much bigger things to improve imo. Not saying I would have a problem if they worked on it. I just dont think it should be a priority.
Its not much to expect, let alone ask, to have the gap assignments play out like they are designed.

If I command the line to crash left or right: they should penetrate those said gaps. It is a waste of a command and play art.

I understand it is a bigger deal to see your targrt receiver run his appropriate route though.

Gap integrity is not a concern to the average user, perhaps mainly in their knowledgebase but the frustration in having to do unorthodox things to limit gains on outside runs is a universal stress point.

You pinch the line in a 3-4 predator and then command the 3 dt's to crash middle and somehow you still give up a chunk up the middle.. that shouldn't have to be raised as a community outcry concern: it is complacent in general to allow these outcomes to continue to be prevalent in each dev cycle.

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Its not much to expect, let alone ask, to have the gap assignments play out like they are designed.

If I command the line to crash left or right: they should penetrate those said gaps. It is a waste of a command and play art.

I understand it is a bigger deal to see your targrt receiver run his appropriate route though.

Gap integrity is not a concern to the average user, perhaps mainly in their knowledgebase but the frustration in having to do unorthodox things to limit gains on outside runs is a universal stress point.

You pinch the line in a 3-4 predator and then command the 3 dt's to crash middle and somehow you still give up a chunk up the middle.. that shouldn't have to be raised as a community outcry concern: it is complacent in general to allow these outcomes to continue to be prevalent in each dev cycle.

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What's even more alarming to me is what they discussed in the live stream. I've gone on record about the fact that I enjoyed the stream and the candor of it, but there was one segment that summed up my issues with Madden for years. They were actually discussing using "Wide 9" technique to stop outside runs... The Wide 9 is NOT a run defense. It is designed to match up a superior pass rushing athlete against a slower, less athletic tackle to allow him to run around the edge and apply pressure quickly. This is not something that is done to stop the run. The fact that they were suggesting that sort of thing to stop the outside run raises red flags to me. How about fixing the horrendous pursuit angles and gap assignments? Gap assignments are not something you shouldn't care about. Whether you understand it or not, they have major effect on every single play. You probably DO care about them even though you don't realize it. Whenever you give up some insane run to the outside that is complete nonsense, you care about it, you just don't realize it. A lot of the issues are magnified due to the bad player movement and super high speed that Madden runs at, but it also has to do with the AI in this space.

EDIT: I tweeted Clint about this to really verify that we want to promote the use of "wide 9" as a run defense. Apparently, Teryl Austin (the Lions defensive coordinator) told them that it is, in fact, used as a means to stop runs to the outside. Interesting, I've tried to find some documentation about using this defensive setup to stop the run, but was unsuccessful. I certainly believe Clint, but I was legitimately looking for ways in which it was used this this case since I know little about it. I also asked him about teams that do not employ a wide 9. He stated that reach tackles, blocks and linebacker pursuit have all been tuned to properly contain these types of runs. Sounds good, just have to see how it actually works.

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Old 07-28-2014, 06:50 PM   #13
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We already have wide9 alignments and can custom a wide9 alignment by spreading the dline out of certain formations - it still does not suffice: call a dive or slam and the d will swarm inside and then u just bline to the sideline.

Same ol' song and dance until the tune changes.

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With all the attention payed to line play the last couple years, and for it to still not me in tells me Tiburon simply does not have the ability to do it.
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With all the attention payed to line play the last couple years, and for it to still not me in tells me Tiburon simply does not have the ability to do it.
Or as someone else mentioned, it's probably not high on the priority list.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:47 PM   #16
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not high on the list? Something thats been in the sport of football forever has to be put on a list? that's absurd, every single play everyone has to play their assignments or their getting torched and benched and replaced by someone who could. This concept should've been in the game from the beginning of the madden.At least if the NFL is gonna be on the games name at least make them play how they're supposed too.
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