When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

[maddog45]

This game still does not use a gap assignment system. Its a part of EVERY football teams defense yet still don't see it in the game. The d line doesn't control there gaps on the run , they're doing spin moves out of the gap and the RBs just gashes us up their gaps. And the line backers don't attack their gaps , this isn't a football game at all. Its frustrating, we have cars that drive themselves and they can't even do this.

[JaymeeAwesome]

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This game still does not use a gap assignment system. Its a part of EVERY football teams defense yet still don't see it in the game. The d line doesn't control there gaps on the run , they're doing spin moves out of the gap and the RBs just gashes us up their gaps. And the line backers don't attack their gaps , this isn't a football game at all. Its frustrating, we have cars that drive themselves and they can't even do this.

Just like in your last thread, this post is extremely negative and I don't believe it's very constructive. This is a great topic for discussion. You have great ideas, but go about it in a non-constructive way.

I can foresee gap assignments making it in eventually but probably not until Madden 17. They still have another year of "clean up" from the previous 9 years of adding and subtracting.

[HingleMcCringleberry]

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It points out a very obvious issue in Madden that's existed for years, so I see this as completely constructive.

[maddog45]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

Just like in your last thread, this post is extremely negative and I don't believe it's very constructive. This is a great topic for discussion. You have great ideas, but go about it in a non-constructive way.

I can foresee gap assignments making it in eventually but probably not until Madden 17. They still have another year of "clean up" from the previous 9 years of adding and subtracting.

I haven't said anything wrong? I stated the facts, where are the wrong doings? Comparing the engineering of cars to the programming of a game? Thats nothing bad, its a point I'm trying to get across. Its constructive and I'm letting it be known for the better of us , the football fans.

[maddog45]

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I also would like to add that the game should require your defense to call to the strength of the offenses formation strength. Football minds know what this is and where to call it. For the new players and people who don't know what it is it should be taught in the skills trainer. It will only make it more realistic. If you lined up wrong and not to the offenses strength , your defense pays for it.

[truffleshuffle]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

Just like in your last thread, this post is extremely negative and I don't believe it's very constructive. This is a great topic for discussion. You have great ideas, but go about it in a non-constructive way.

I can foresee gap assignments making it in eventually but probably not until Madden 17. They still have another year of "clean up" from the previous 9 years of adding and subtracting.

Where exactly is the "Negative "? He points out a flaw that needs to be addressed. I don't know you or your posts but you just sounds as if you are one of those fan-boys that don't like when a flaw in a game that has many flaws are pointed out. Like I said that just how you came across on this post.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

This game still does not use a gap assignment system. Its a part of EVERY football teams defense yet still don't see it in the game. The d line doesn't control there gaps on the run , they're doing spin moves out of the gap and the RBs just gashes us up their gaps. And the line backers don't attack their gaps , this isn't a football game at all. Its frustrating, we have cars that drive themselves and they can't even do this.

This would end the unrealistic dominance of the outside run, and it wouldn't require new "wide" formations that aren't really used in the NFL in the way Madden is trying to implement them (and I'm skeptical they would work anyway; moving players around to wider formations in Madden 25 did nothing to fix the insanely unrealistic edge setting A.I., and outside runs dominated regardless). Setting the edge is a football fundamental, and it would be nice if that could be put it, like really put in. I understand how it would be extremely difficult though without removing all control from the user. But as you said, as a society we should have the tech.

[hanzsomehanz]

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Suction interactions and a minimal acceleration burst from the Defense is a big variable in the equation of the problem.

The game has interior linemen setuo to shade and attack certain gaps but once the ball is snapped the outcome is simply am olineman sliding to occupy a defender or if it is a stunt you have an olienman waiting for the defender to be swallowed into his waiting arms for a big bear hug..

I am not sure what we can contribute as a solution in here though: the folks at the Madden studios know how things should play out.

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[Hooe]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

Yeah, the lack of proper defensive gap assignments and gap control is a big big sticking point in the game's implementation right now, and is a completely valid criticism.

I'm hopeful that the addition of passing play concepts (and teaching these concepts in the Skills Trainter) is a launching point for Tiburon getting really nitty-gritty with the details of football over the next few years.

[aholbert32]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

This game still does not use a gap assignment system. Its a part of EVERY football teams defense yet still don't see it in the game. The d line doesn't control there gaps on the run , they're doing spin moves out of the gap and the RBs just gashes us up their gaps. And the line backers don't attack their gaps , this isn't a football game at all. Its frustrating, we have cars that drive themselves and they can't even do this.

Most people dont care about this. I'm a football fan and Im not too concerned about this. Much bigger things to improve imo. Not saying I would have a problem if they worked on it. I just dont think it should be a priority.

[hanzsomehanz]

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Most people dont care about this. I'm a football fan and Im not too concerned about this. Much bigger things to improve imo. Not saying I would have a problem if they worked on it. I just dont think it should be a priority.

Its not much to expect, let alone ask, to have the gap assignments play out like they are designed.

If I command the line to crash left or right: they should penetrate those said gaps. It is a waste of a command and play art.

I understand it is a bigger deal to see your targrt receiver run his appropriate route though.

Gap integrity is not a concern to the average user, perhaps mainly in their knowledgebase but the frustration in having to do unorthodox things to limit gains on outside runs is a universal stress point.

You pinch the line in a 3-4 predator and then command the 3 dt's to crash middle and somehow you still give up a chunk up the middle.. that shouldn't have to be raised as a community outcry concern: it is complacent in general to allow these outcomes to continue to be prevalent in each dev cycle.

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[GiantBlue76]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

Its not much to expect, let alone ask, to have the gap assignments play out like they are designed.

If I command the line to crash left or right: they should penetrate those said gaps. It is a waste of a command and play art.

I understand it is a bigger deal to see your targrt receiver run his appropriate route though.

Gap integrity is not a concern to the average user, perhaps mainly in their knowledgebase but the frustration in having to do unorthodox things to limit gains on outside runs is a universal stress point.

You pinch the line in a 3-4 predator and then command the 3 dt's to crash middle and somehow you still give up a chunk up the middle.. that shouldn't have to be raised as a community outcry concern: it is complacent in general to allow these outcomes to continue to be prevalent in each dev cycle.

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What's even more alarming to me is what they discussed in the live stream. I've gone on record about the fact that I enjoyed the stream and the candor of it, but there was one segment that summed up my issues with Madden for years. They were actually discussing using "Wide 9" technique to stop outside runs... The Wide 9 is NOT a run defense. It is designed to match up a superior pass rushing athlete against a slower, less athletic tackle to allow him to run around the edge and apply pressure quickly. This is not something that is done to stop the run. The fact that they were suggesting that sort of thing to stop the outside run raises red flags to me. How about fixing the horrendous pursuit angles and gap assignments? Gap assignments are not something you shouldn't care about. Whether you understand it or not, they have major effect on every single play. You probably DO care about them even though you don't realize it. Whenever you give up some insane run to the outside that is complete nonsense, you care about it, you just don't realize it. A lot of the issues are magnified due to the bad player movement and super high speed that Madden runs at, but it also has to do with the AI in this space.

EDIT: I tweeted Clint about this to really verify that we want to promote the use of "wide 9" as a run defense. Apparently, Teryl Austin (the Lions defensive coordinator) told them that it is, in fact, used as a means to stop runs to the outside. Interesting, I've tried to find some documentation about using this defensive setup to stop the run, but was unsuccessful. I certainly believe Clint, but I was legitimately looking for ways in which it was used this this case since I know little about it. I also asked him about teams that do not employ a wide 9. He stated that reach tackles, blocks and linebacker pursuit have all been tuned to properly contain these types of runs. Sounds good, just have to see how it actually works.

[hanzsomehanz]

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We already have wide9 alignments and can custom a wide9 alignment by spreading the dline out of certain formations - it still does not suffice: call a dive or slam and the d will swarm inside and then u just bline to the sideline.

Same ol' song and dance until the tune changes.

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[Mr.Smif]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

With all the attention payed to line play the last couple years, and for it to still not me in tells me Tiburon simply does not have the ability to do it.

[roadman]

Re: When will madden ever introduce gap assignments in the game?

With all the attention payed to line play the last couple years, and for it to still not me in tells me Tiburon simply does not have the ability to do it.

Or as someone else mentioned, it's probably not high on the priority list.