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Old 09-03-2014, 08:02 AM   #1
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Up-Tempo Offense still broken in H2H games

The no-huddle has been a much hated and oft debated topic among sim players for as long as I can remember. I for one was also one who hated going online to face players who did it the entire game, getting my slow defensive lineman offsides and running the same plays time after time.

Until recent years, with the exception of occasional usage in some systems like the 90's Buffalo 'K-Gun', it was something mainly absent from the NFL barring 2-minute drills and comeback situations.

But now several teams are featuring up-tempo or no-huddle tactics in their offense including the Patriots, Broncos, Ravens, Bills, Packers, Dolphins, Lions, Texans, Giants and the Eagles (who never huddle even when trying to chew the clock). Below is an excerpt from a recent article about the movement:
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/20...empo-movement/

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Bill Walsh actually predicted the up-tempo movement in his 1997 book titled, Finding the Winning Edge.

In a chapter called “Determining the Future Dynamics of Offense in the NFL,” he envisions a league where teams only huddle when the clock is stopped and use single-word audibles to call out a play.

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The quarterback will look to the sideline the instant the whistle blows on the previous play to see which personnel combination is entering the game. The designated coach indicates the formation to the quarterback and whether he should audible his own play or will receive a play call from the coach. All of these steps will occur without a huddle.
While NCAA 14 got the up-tempo/no-huddle offense right in its last version of the unfortunately deceased series the Madden series has always done a poor job of realistically representing the no-huddle. The offense gets back to the line so quickly that defensive lineman are often called for offsides. Both teams only have their audibles to choose from which leads to predictive playcalling in no-huddle instances or hot route spamming to create new plays within a matter of seconds. Running Streaks 50 yards downfield, then getting back to the line within 3 seconds for another Streak route also had seemingly no effect on offensive players' stamina. And this I believe is the larger problem sim-gamers have with the no-huddle tactic, not the fact that it is relatively new to the NFL landscape.

But finally, Madden 15 has adjusted the no-huddle for the series! For some reason I can't understand, it is an improvement but still is not implemented as deftly as NCAA 14, which had animations for players looking to the sidelines for calls (like the Eagles do) and varying speeds for getting lined up. But nevertheless, the no-huddle offense is implemented well enough to replicate the up-tempo or blur offenses being used in the NFL now. The offense can't lineup completely and snap the ball within 2 seconds causing offsides penalties. The offense AND defense have access to their full playbook with the corresponding on-field personell. The way has apparently been paved to use a realistic, sim-style offense in Madden ... versus the CPU.

Whether it is a bug or a true design decision, for some odd reason you can not set the tempo to up-tempo/no-huddle offense in head to head matchups. And when you manually go no-huddle with the Triangle button it reverts back to the horrific superspeed no-huddle with limited playcall variations from Madden's past.

Is this a bug or did they make a decision to disallow this in H2H games? If some multiplayer online CFMs don't want to allow it, why not make it an option the commissioner can set? Is it disallowed because it would 'ruin' the ranked online or MUT experience? Those can't honestly be the reasons because you can still use the unrealistic version of the no-huddle in all modes. And after reading some of the forums in the online thread it (along with going for it on 4th and running the same money plays) is apparently still a problem in ranked online games, one that has always kept me from spending my time in that part of the game.

So why is this great addition to the game this year not available in H2H games?

I hope there are some other people out there that would like to see the up-tempo additions available for H2H games. And I hope someone with contacts could try to get an answer from the devs about this or maybe even a fix if it is just a bug.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:20 AM   #2
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Re: Up-Tempo Offense still broken in H2H games

The only thing madden is better than NCAA is the visual aspect of the game, the rest from editing, custom play book sub formation and even playing the game itself, NCAA is better... So when I play madden I would never say " oh ncaa has this" cause you will only be disappointed with the game.
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:11 PM   #3
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The only thing madden is better than NCAA is the visual aspect of the game, the rest from editing, custom play book sub formation and even playing the game itself, NCAA is better... So when I play madden I would never say " oh ncaa has this" cause you will only be disappointed with the game.
True. But I'm not so hung up on why the feature isn't as good as NCAA. I just don't understand why an improved up-tempo/no-huddle is in the game but not allowed in H2H games and reverts back to the old format there.
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If this were implemented then you'd essentially be playing a college football game - everyone and their mother would run no huddle at all times.
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Old 09-03-2014, 04:17 PM   #5
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I don't know the cause but it appears to have been done deliberately. Could have been buggy for whatever reason in H2H so they turned it off until they fix it or something along those lines.
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Does anyone know if this issue will be fixed? Just curious, haven't seen much posted about the subject.
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