Rams and Now Eagles With Big Trades Up, Would You Make the Deal?

[RaychelSnr]

This one didn't work out so well for Philly.

Let's face it, when it comes to big draft trades -- both Philadelphia and Los Angeles (I can say that now right?) both made historically huge trade deals.

And really, when you get down to it, both Cleveland and Tennessee did too.

But would you have taken the deal? ESPN's Bill Barnwall writes that he is a bit skeptical on the part of the Eagles:

"This is an extensive haul for the Browns, roughly equivalent to what the Titans received for the first overall selection after accounting for the difference in value between the first and second picks. Philadelphia gets the a 2017 fourth-round pick back with the second overall pick this year, and sends Cleveland the eighth, 77th and 100th picks in this year's draft, plus a 2017 first-round pick and a 2018 second-rounder.

If we value those selections as the middle pick in each round, which seems fair given that the Eagles don't seem to be a particularly dominant or particularly troubled franchise, Cleveland's picked up an enormous return for its pick."

Let's face it, Cleveland (and Tennessee) have a foundation of draft picks to build and trade from which will yield lots of positional upgrades for the next several years. That's a good foundation for winning a championship. On the other hand, both Philadelphia and Los Angeles seem to be betting a lot on a QB of the future.

I guess long term we may find out which is more important.

Such a huge pair of moves technically aren't possible in Madden -- something I'd like to think will be made possible given the headline grabbing nature of both deals made this offseason (re: please do this EA!) -- but if presented with such a move, would you take it if you were Cleveland or Tennessee?

What about the other way around, would you give up so many picks to get one?

[azdawgpound]

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This one didn't work out so well for Philly.

Let's face it, when it comes to big draft trades -- both Philadelphia and Los Angeles (I can say that now right?) both made historically huge trade deals.

And really, when you get down to it, both Cleveland and Tennessee did too.

But would you have taken the deal? ESPN's Bill Barnwall writes that he is a bit skeptical on the part of the Eagles:


Let's face it, Cleveland (and Tennessee) have a foundation of draft picks to build and trade from which will yield lots of positional upgrades for the next several years. That's a good foundation for winning a championship. On the other hand, both Philadelphia and Los Angeles seem to be betting a lot on a QB of the future.

I guess long term we may find out which is more important.

Such a huge pair of moves technically aren't possible in Madden -- something I'd like to think will be made possible given the headline grabbing nature of both deals made this offseason (re: please do this EA!) -- but if presented with such a move, would you take it if you were Cleveland or Tennessee?

What about the other way around, would you give up so many picks to get one?

Well Cleveland's been here before and done it twice and lost out on both trades.

So I'm shocked they would try it a 3rd time hopefully this time it pays off.

I would only do it if I had pieces in place and needed That player to put me over the top.

[poulka]

Do the research these deals hardly pay off. Now Cleveland got more picks a smart move, but giving the house for number by Rams very dumb. I remember many of these deals in the past and none developed a champion.

[mestevo]

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I'd need some good tools to be able to do this, beyond the technical capability. I'd need the game to give me an idea of what teams are planning on taking / their needs, for starters. Then would need to be able to know if marquee positions are strong one year vs another (since that has an affect on filling the need in future years rather than this one). Some pundits say the QB selections for the next few years are underwhelming at best (I wouldn't know, don't watch CFB) but that data would be useful in-game to guide a decision.

As it stands right now, you have to kinda scout every team, take notes, etc to get an idea if you need to trade up 2 spots to get ahead of a team about to take a player you might covet. Simply giving us a projected pick or position (preferably both, and perhaps multiple possibilities indicating uncertainty or indicate it's a consensus a player will go to a certain team.

Just need the tools and data.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I would never give up all those picks for one player...But I would accept those picks to trade out of a #1 or #2 spot...Dallas Cowboys proved that more picks can lead to a Dynasty, with the Herschel Walker trade...Minnesota and Saints (Ricky Williams) showed that giving away a lot of picks for 1 player will most likely lead to a bust.

[BB_Dynasty]

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These deals rarely work out, but I'm in the minority here. I respect the Eagles and Rams for doing everything they can to secure the most important position in football: quarterback.

[Senor Tortilla]

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I'm with the don't trade up crowd. Especially when it involves crippling current, and future draft classes. Browns have been trying to hit on a QB for what seems like forever now, including free agency, and have yet to be successful. While one can make the argument that it is the surrounding talent that has been dooming these players, and they are just thrown into the inferno that is Cleveland, at some point a different approach must be used. This is why I love the trade down, but hate the trade up. Build a strong D, acquire some skill positions on O, and maybe the QB position will figure itself out.

Look at the 2011 Round 1 QBs, Newton (blatant exception), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder. Beside from #1 overall, that was a poor QB class, and Andy Dalton (the obvious second best QB today from this class) was drafted in the second round. There are many other drafts that show the same, sure you may hit on an Andrew Luck or a Ryan Tannehill (an average starter), but you may get EJ Manuel or Brandon Weeden, and that sets the franchise back for miles. High 1st round QB picks are a crap shoot, you win big or lose big. You seem to be just as likely hitting on a QB anywhere else in the 1st and 2nd rounds before the late round prayers go out.

You have to respect the Eagles showing they want somebody (has to be a QB right?) bad enough to trade up to #2 for them, but I would have only done this if I were the Browns with such a talent poor roster. This is a weak QB class compared to other years, and maybe the Browns will even grab P. Lynch at #8, but I wouldn't give up two years worth of high draft talent for an unknown quantity.

[howboutdat]

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Well , i would not have done it personally. If one looks back at the last 10 drafts , there has been at least 18 Qbs that were picked in the first round that were nothing but busts(Like Vince Young, Christian Ponder, etc).While only a couple have actually turned into good QBs - Cam (Cry baby) Newton , Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford( some sundays). So to begin with , the odds are against it in large numbers.

Also as an Eagles fan im just going to look at their moves.

To really tally up what all they gave up lets look back. They gave up McCoy and a 4th round pick to get Kiko last year. Then they turn around this year and give Maxwell ,Kiko and the 13th overall pick , just to move up to 8th overall. Then give up the 8th overall, 3rd and 4th round picks this year, next years 1st ,and 2018 2nd round picks. All to go get a QB, that is going to get paid high, and sit on the bench??? Hmmm. We will now have a ton of our cap tied up into 3 Qbs, two of which will be sitting on the bench.

Meanwhile this team has a TON of needs . While agree Bradford isnt a good QB, we also need oline, hb, wrs, lbs, cbs, safties. But now , counting the trade to get Kiko originally we are out 6 picks, which would be 6 more players over the next couple of seasons. We arent really picking up guys in FA so draft is about our only way to improve. So we give up potentially 6 new players plus two we traded away to move up 5 spots , all for 1 player, who no offense doesnt get me hyped up as a QB. Their stats are not that impressive, and surely not impressive enough to give all that up for them. We have 1 good wr, who is this QB going to throw to? Who is going to protect him? So many holes to fill. To me, its kinda dumb to give up all that potential just for 1 guy, sitting the bench or not. But even worse if he sits the bench, you give all that up, to get someone with second overall pick, he better be starter material, cause your paying him alot more than numerous others on your team.

[snc237]

Anytime I can get 5 more draft picks and only slide back 6 spots in the draft order in the first round I'm making that trade! Even if that means I'm loosing a guy I was eyeing up.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I can see why the Rams would trade up; they are coming back to Los Angeles; and though it sounds like they are going back to their classic blue and yellow uniforms, that will not happen until the 2019 season, I believe. So what we have with a #1 overall pick, and taking a QB, is the initial merchandise sales and potential future sales, on top of the sales the Rams will get just for moving back home.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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Madden only lets you trade 3 picks/players per deal so sadly these would've been impossible. If Madden made it into the 21st century with trade logic then yeah I would.

[Cnada]

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For mega deals to be added into madden. A few other things should be changed

1. QBs arent evenly scattered

2. Later round picks should have more potential than they do now (none)

3. Now that compensatory picks can be traded they need to be include

[Ampking101]

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If we are talking strictly in the sense of Madden here, then yes these trades could be beneficial. By that point you have already scouted a few attributes and know their combine totals (and how without a doubt it accurately indicates their skills). There is very little if any room for error on how good a top flight draft pick will be (especially if they are a story player and we all know that Wentz and Goff would be story players).

If you have a solid team but without a doubt need the #1 overall or #2 overall pick and it is really the only player you need at the moment (covered everything else, even temporarily in FA), then I don't see why you wouldn't entertain making the deal, it is still a ridiculous amount and would be more than I would want to give up for something like that (when you could just as easily offer a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and get the same deal, especially if you are only moving down from the 8th overall spot) but why not, it is a solid piece in a big skill position that likely has superstar or at least quick development and you will be able to change all the bad things about them within 3 years. I'll take those odds.

In real life, absolutely no way. The Rams trade is bad enough (they've essentially gotten rid of the top half of the next two drafts just to be able to get the ability to chose first in the draft) but they at least gain the ability to take whichever player they want. The Eagles trade is abysmal however, they have a lot of needs in other positions and a QB is not going to give them a superbowl win and they effectively sold the farm for the Rams leftovers. Even if Goff (which I really think the Rams are taking Wentz) does happen to beat the odds and becomes a star QB that deserved to go #1 overall, it still isn't worth it.

If you were to point out "but that was the whole point of the trade, if he is a star why wouldnt it be worth it". As a Falcons fan I will point out the infamous trade for Julio Jones where the Falcons gave up the farm for him. Now I don't think there is a single person who will dispute that Julio isn't in the top 5 of receivers in the league, not to mention that we also came out on top in that trade (the Browns literally did next to nothing of worth with those picks). However look at what happened to the Falcons the years after those lack of picks. With the inability to draft they suffered severely with the lack of depth. When injuries hit and they started losing players the Falcons had absolutely no recourse and are only now starting to recover from the lack of depth and having to rely on free agency (and that is after we got one of the best players in the league off that trade). Now there is an argument that things would have been just as bad sans-Julio and that we would have drafted a bunch of nobodies, that said there was still potential to draft players who could have helped out and possibly wouldn't have gotten injured.

Now with the Rams and the Eagles we are talking about doing the same thing the Falcons did, only this time it is for the piece that can make or break a team (which the Falcons already had in a decent Matt Ryan). They are both placing bets that both QBs come out on top as the best players in the draft. Luck and RG3 were the most likely candidates for it to be successful and look at how that panned out for the Redskins (and imagine had the Colts gave up all of that for Luck, no Coby Fleener, no TY Hilton, and likely no Dwayne Allen). It didn't pay off for the Falcons, it certainly didn't pay off for the Redskins, and likely the Rams and Eagles will be feeling the effects of this for the next 4 years even if one of them does pan out to be a star QB.

All that to say, in madden, unlikely but at least something I might entertain because you don't have to worry about nagging injuries that effect them over time, consistency issues, weaknesses can be fixed with Xp. There is some but not a ton of downside to this.

In real life however, this was a great move for the Titans and Browns (though as history has proven doesn't necessarily mean they will come out on top). Not so great and even possibly crippling for Rams and Eagles, and that is even if it even happens to pay off with a great player.

[Godgers12]

In Madden terms, no because neither QB is a 90 spd guy, Ramsey would be worth the trade up though. In real life terms, still no, because neither QB is a sure thing. They're just presumably the best of a so-so QB class. To me Cardale Jones will be the only elite level QB this class has to offer and you can get him in the 3rd.

[camo]

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Madden wise I would cringe at the cpu being able to bet the farm on a single pick. Between the poor drafting logic and roster management as a whole, I see teams trading up for the top qb, cutting him because some free agent is 2 pts higher the the qb they just drafted and rolling for another season with some veteran scrub like Hoyer or whoever.

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