One thing that would make Madden The Best

[jcern2323]

I feel like Madden should have a simulation QB setting!!! Lets face it Madden is coming along very nice in just a short time its fun again and resembles the NFL but one thing remains a problem is QB accuracy. I decided to post this because at one point during this year we had this in the coding of the game where user QBs would throw random inaccurate passes but then it was removed with a patch and set back to the norm where user QBs are way too accurate. In my opinion the only major issue a hardcore sim football player could have with Madden right now is QB accuracy on both sides human and cpu. If we had a sim qb setting similar to 2ks sim setting it would be so huge for hardcore sports gamers does anyone agree??

[Caveman24]

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This entire thread. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...e-rebuild.html

[jcern2323]

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Wow i read that thread its a pretty sick write up although i think ultimately for a sim player replayability comes down to gameplay and statistics so while i would love to have all that i think that if we just had more realistic qb throws it would make a huge difference for some of us sim guys and its such simple coding that it was in at one point this year and taken out on the next update

[PBlue]

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Excellent write-up. Regarding the section on injuries, I think the writer is on to something. Hopefully EA could implement something like that. The current system is binary, either injured or not. That is not how it is in the real NFL. A guy can hurt his shin in the first game of the season, and never be right for the rest of the year, but that is not reflected in Madden.

[GoJags904]

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Excellent write-up. Regarding the section on injuries, I think the writer is on to something. Hopefully EA could implement something like that. The current system is binary, either injured or not. That is not how it is in the real NFL. A guy can hurt his shin in the first game of the season, and never be right for the rest of the year, but that is not reflected in Madden.

Once individual player animations are fixed and stable, I really think EA will be able to properly reflect injuries. Whether off the ball or on the ball based on the various animations and implementing a bodily deteriation system like 2k does with bball based on size, durability, speed, weather, etc. I just feel they're trying to add too much and should dig deeper and fix the base game play issues before implementing highlight animations.

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[avwhitechic]

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[GoldenCrest Games]

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... but one thing remains a problem is QB accuracy. I decided to post this because at one point during this year we had this in the coding of the game where user QBs would throw random inaccurate passes but then it was removed with a patch and set back to the norm where user QBs are way too accurate. In my opinion the only major issue a hardcore sim football player could have with Madden right now is QB accuracy on both sides human and cpu.

Do you think that would get frustrating if your QB would miss open WRs because of a randomly inaccurate throw? Personally, I'd like it, but I think most players would get frustrated.

[Gosens6]

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Do you think that would get frustrating if your QB would miss open WRs because of a randomly inaccurate throw? Personally, I'd like it, but I think most players would get frustrated.

And that right there is why Madden will always behind the 8-Ball when it comes to simulation gameplay.

When they removed the QB inaccuracy last year, it finally hit me. They strive for sim, but only go halfway to appease their oh so precious MUT and Tournament crowd.

[Hooe]

One thing that would make Madden The Best

They strive for sim, but only go halfway to appease their oh so precious MUT and Tournament crowd.

Well yeah, on the simplest level (assuming for a moment the game is tuned specifically for these crowds, which I am sure Tiburon would be quick to dispute) those crowds are larger than the sim crowd and they make Tiburon money. At the end of the day private video game companies exist to make money, and they do so by appeasing the largest number of players in their game's potential audience.

More importantly - MUT and tournament players are allowed to enjoy the game too, they don't have to enjoy the game the same way sim players do, and they are not less important or lesser players than sim players for doing so.

This notion that "sim" is somehow The One Correct Way To Play A Sports Game needs to go away. Its unnecessarily divisive and insular and it doesn't grow the sim community; the holier-than-thou attitude makes it look less appealing to others, actually.

[Gosens6]

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Well yeah, on the simplest level (assuming for a moment the game is tuned specifically for these crowds, which I am sure Tiburon would be quick to dispute) those crowds are larger than the sim crowd and they make Tiburon money. At the end of the day private video game companies exist to make money, and they do so by appeasing the largest number of players in their game's potential audience.

More importantly - MUT and tournament players are allowed to enjoy the game too, they don't have to enjoy the game the same way sim players do, and they are not less important or lesser players than sim players for doing so.

This notion that "sim" is somehow The One Correct Way To Play A Sports Game needs to go away. Its unnecessarily divisive and insular and it doesn't grow the sim community; the holier-than-thou attitude makes it look less appealing to others, actually.

Then if they take away "Sim" factors from their game, (QB Inaccuracies being one example) just to give it to the complaints from one side of the argument, does that not make the hardcore sim guys less important?

Whenever we get something that screams realism, the crowd who doesn't understand why it's sim, they cry foul and EA gives in and takes it away from us. But sim players have a holier than thou attitude? We matter just as much as they do? Yeah we matter until they complain, this is how it's always worked.

I never said any certain party wasn't allowed to enjoy the game. If basic realism aspects don't matter to you and you enjoy the game, more power to you.

[roadman]

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Then if they take away "Sim" factors from their game, (QB Inaccuracies being one example) just to give it to the complaints from one side of the argument, does that not make the hardcore sim guys less important?

Whenever we get something that screams realism, the crowd who doesn't understand why it's sim, they cry foul and EA gives in and takes it away from us. But sim players have a holier than thou attitude? We matter just as much as they do? Yeah we matter until they complain, this is how it's always worked.

I never said any certain party wasn't allowed to enjoy the game. If basic realism aspects don't matter to you and you enjoy the game, more power to you.

Man, I must have a short memory span. Gos, when did they take away QB inaccuracies and when did EA declare they caved in for the casuals that were complaining.

I'm not trying to be funny or cute here, I don't remember this?

[The JareBear]

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This notion that "sim" is somehow The One Correct Way To Play A Sports Game needs to go away. Its unnecessarily divisive and insular and it doesn't grow the sim community; the holier-than-thou attitude makes it look less appealing to others, actually.

I kind of disagree with where I think you are trying to go with this, although I fully admit that I may be misinterpreting your post.

Madden NFL Football. Does that not, at face value, imply that the product is supposed to represent what you see when watching real life NFL football?

NFL Blitz and other games like that are out there for arcade style players to enjoy. I don't understand why we have to be pining for more "simness" when it seems like pretty much every other AAA major sports game tries to replicate that real life sport as accurately as possible.

I don't think everybody has to only play Sim Style. I don't think everyone out there has to be force fed realistic completion percentages, realistic time in the pocket, realistic no-gains when rushing the ball, but I also think that if you are going to make an NFL game the game should look and feel like NFL football. I've never understood why Madden can't offer two different modes, which I think another AAA sports game does, and offer a "Simulation" and "Normal" (don't even have to call it Arcade, better to avoid sounding condescending) for people to tailor their experience as much as preferably possible.

Edit:

I definitely agree that there should be no "Sim Is The Only Way To Play" attitude and if people wanna lob up bombs to OBJ all day with no repercussions, good for them, they should be allowed to enjoy the game that way too. It just kind of sucks when I watch the "elite players" compete at EA sponsored tournaments and what I see looks absolutely nothing like football, to me. I concede that a lot of people probably won't be tuning in to see guys go three-and-out and watch QBs sail a pass into the sideline or throw one into the turf from time to time. I get that. That being said I think there is a problem when the main NFL game on the market is tuned and programmed for 5 minute quarters.

I think it really just comes down to options. Everybody should be able to play the game their way. It just seems like for a long time the sim crowd was kind of left behind and that is just starting to change recently.

[Gosens6]

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Man, I must have a short memory span. Gos, when did they take away QB inaccuracies and when did EA declare they caved in for the casuals that were complaining.

I'm not trying to be funny or cute here, I don't remember this?

Not gonna lie, can't give you an exact time frame. I do know that least year after one of the patches, QB's were deadly accurate all over again. There was LOTS of complaining on Twitter about throws being off the mark too much, and that it was "unrealistic" to miss so many passes.

Then one day, it was just back to the old way of things of completing 80 percent of passes.

Edit: Also, I'm NEVER one to bash this game. Roadman and a few other guys can give me credit for that. I always try and be optimistic about this title, but I will always call it like I see it with this series.

That's not me having an holier than thou attitude, that's me just having discussion about what i feel us right or wrong about this series.

[roadman]

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JB-

Rex did say after that competition that he was embarrassed how that played out and it's up to him and his team to fix that.

So, we'll see where that goes.

Gos- Thanks for the update. Man, sometimes I wish social media would blow away. Instant communication with the powers to be. I hope that doesn't happen again.

Let's hope the move to frostbrite at some point will bring a game where more people can be happy with a NFL football game.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

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This is kind of why franchise mode has lost its luster to me and the game in general. You can pretty much take any player/team and play balls out, win the Super Bowl and dominate. A lot of that is because of the Qb position. They need better player differentiation across the board while somehow not limiting stick skills.