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  • #1
    BleedGreen710
    Eagles Fan
    • Oct 2012
    • 4025

    Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


    http://www.operationsports.com/forum...p-sliders.html

    tdawg3782, rich8682, and I have been doing some serious simming over on the thread for tdawgs XP sliders (which I would highly recommend). tdawg was able to make for realistic amount of high rated players down the road in franchise mode with his XP sliders (10 year sims to test it out) but I found that there was an issue with sim stats. Mainly, the sack totals were way too low. Often the league leader would have something like 10 or 12 sacks, even 99 OVR J.J Watt clones. Very unrealistic. After more testing we found that it happened even with the default sliders and when I lowered the OL XP slider to 0 and DL to 300 and still didn't see high enough sack totals I knew there must be something else causing it. After several more 10+ year sims tdawg has found it - ALL the decent QBs who come from the draft (70+ OVR guys who have a chance to start) have 'Ideal' for their Sense Pressure trait. Not sure if this is a bug or a strange design choice, but it makes it so they take minimal sacks. When we set the trait to 'Oblivious' for all the QBs instead, the sack numbers were back to being realistic, if not a little too high. Giving all the starting QBs Oblivious and the elite rated QBs Average or keeping them at Ideal is probably the best solution to this.

    The reason I'm sharing this here and not posting in the bugs sticky is because this is huge for people who want realistic franchises, myself included. Personally I simply could not get invested in one knowing some sim stat anomaly such as this existed without a fix. I've spent the last few days doing hours and hours of sims to fix this before I start my own franchise. So I'm hoping it gets more attention here and helps out those franchise guys like me. And thankyou to tdawg3782 and rich8682 for helping with the sims.
  • #2
    extremeskins04
    That's top class!
    • Aug 2010
    • 3868

    Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


    Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

    Thank you guys for doing this. I've been following that thread and I know how hard you guys have been working to test this.

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    • #3
      rich8682
      Banned
      • Aug 2016
      • 977

      Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


      Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

      Aye you the man BleedGreen. I would've never thought of the pressure trait. Now we gotta either get Rex and them to fix it, or find a fix ourselves.

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      • #4
        BleedGreen710
        Eagles Fan
        • Oct 2012
        • 4025

        Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


        Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

        Originally posted by rich8682
        Aye you the man BleedGreen. I would've never thought of the pressure trait. Now we gotta either get Rex and them to fix it, or find a fix ourselves.
        yeah, but at least we can edit the players ourselves this year instead of waiting desperately for a fix! it only takes about 5 minutes to edit all the starting QBs at the start of each season fortunately.

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        • #5
          rich8682
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          • Aug 2016
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          Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


          Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

          Originally posted by BleedGreen710
          yeah, but at least we can edit the players ourselves this year instead of waiting desperately for a fix! it only takes about 5 minutes to edit all the starting QBs at the start of each season fortunately.
          I'm definitely gonna do that. Can you come up with a formula? Or should I just do what I feel like doing?

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          • #6
            patssox2004
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            • Feb 2009
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            Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


            Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

            Should we edit all of them or just keep half of them with this sack trait? I love real simulation stats so this is a biggie for me.

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            • #7
              BleedGreen710
              Eagles Fan
              • Oct 2012
              • 4025

              Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


              Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

              Originally posted by patssox2004
              Should we edit all of them or just keep half of them with this sack trait? I love real simulation stats so this is a biggie for me.
              I would give Ideal to the elite starting QBs, Average to the good ones, and Oblivious to the bad ones. thats probably the best and most realistic way to do it. unless you want to do a dice roll or something like that (thanks rich8682 for the idea).

              Originally posted by rich8682
              I'm definitely gonna do that. Can you come up with a formula? Or should I just do what I feel like doing?
              I don't really have a formula for it, but as long as you make it so the starting QBs sense pressure trait is balanced around the league you will get the more realistic stats. see my above reply
              Last edited by BleedGreen710; 08-29-2016, 09:34 PM.

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              • #8
                rich8682
                Banned
                • Aug 2016
                • 977

                Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                Originally posted by patssox2004
                Should we edit all of them or just keep half of them with this sack trait? I love real simulation stats so this is a biggie for me.
                I'm thinking a dice roll? Or you can pick and choose

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                • #9
                  BleedGreen710
                  Eagles Fan
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4025

                  Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                  Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                  Originally posted by rich8682
                  I'm thinking a dice roll? Or you can pick and choose
                  a dice roll to determine their sense pressure trait would actually be a pretty cool idea! and on average things should be balanced around the league if you did it for each starting QB. I think I'll use that in my franchise.

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                  • #10
                    Dwaresacksqb
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 696

                    Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                    Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                    Hopefully this will be fixed. Thanks for the work you guys have done in uncovering this issue and providing great sliders.
                    BoOm!

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                    • #11
                      tdawg3782
                      I hate you Norv
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 4803

                      Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                      Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                      Originally posted by BleedGreen710
                      a dice roll to determine their sense pressure trait would actually be a pretty cool idea! and on average things should be balanced around the league if you did it for each starting QB. I think I'll use that in my franchise.
                      This was exactly what I was thinking. I would going to create a quick excel workbook to have it do it all for you. I did something like that last year for some of Armor & Swords 32 team control stuff he did with resignings and trades.

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                      • #12
                        rich8682
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2016
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                        Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                        Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                        Originally posted by tdawg3782
                        This was exactly what I was thinking. I would going to create a quick excel workbook to have it do it all for you. I did something like that last year for some of Armor & Swords 32 team control stuff he did with resignings and trades.
                        So how will that work? Like a randomizer within excel? I don't use excel, not really familiar with it.

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                        • #13
                          tdawg3782
                          I hate you Norv
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 4803

                          Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                          Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                          So we have:

                          Paranoid
                          Trigger Happy
                          Ideal
                          Average
                          Oblivious

                          I'd ignore the top two for dice roll purposes. So any QB that has Ideal we could do a dice roll between the Bottom 3. Maybe give a 40% chance to Average and Oblivious and 20% to Ideal. Something like that.

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                          • #14
                            tdawg3782
                            I hate you Norv
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 4803

                            Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                            Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                            Originally posted by rich8682
                            So how will that work? Like a randomizer within excel? I don't use excel, not really familiar with it.

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                            Pretty much but I could probably put it on Google Docs.

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                            • #15
                              rich8682
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                              • Aug 2016
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                              Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)


                              Re: Sack Totals Too Low Later In Franchise Mode (Solved)

                              Originally posted by tdawg3782
                              So we have:

                              Paranoid
                              Trigger Happy
                              Ideal
                              Average
                              Oblivious

                              I'd ignore the top two for dice roll purposes. So any QB that has Ideal we could do a dice roll between the Bottom 3. Maybe give a 40% chance to Average and Oblivious and 20% to Ideal. Something like that.
                              Imma try this out tomorrow. Why ignore the top 2? Do they not affect much?

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