Scouting Tool for Madden 17 CFM

[Aeroscorp]

Is it just me or are there some player archetypes that are NEVER draftable? In five seasons, I'm yet to see a One Cut HB, Route Running WR, Blocking TE, Zone OL, Nose Tackle, 3-4 Run Stopper DE, or Cover 2 LB even become a red chip. To take it even farther, I'm yet to see a red chip CB make it out of the first round. Are the standards too high for those positions or have I had an unusual run of bad luck?

If the former, what archetypes DO seem to get better players? I've noticed Power HBs and Run Blocking OL, in particular, seem to have plenty.

[bucknut7]

OMN - how accurate is this tool for players when you switch their position? For instance, there's a DE that scored a 79.4 and a do not draft in his scouted position. But he benched 36 reps, has good size, and is B+ tackle, B hit power and B- block shedding ... so I switched his position on the sheet to DT. Voila! He's now ranked as the fourth-best prospect in the entire class at 93.12.

[rcrawford01]

@ Old Man Nathy

Silly questions

1. Do you save your points to scout until the day before the draft then plug in the information? I know this year they changed it and you lose points if you dont use them. I just don't understand how (with the limited number of scouting points) you can scout players so late into the rounds.

2. Do you only scout players that you need that way you save more scouting points?

3. To get the "draft status" info it looks like you have to fully unlock the player before they are listed as "Blue Chip Draft" "Red Chip" "Scout More"

Is that true?

Thanks for the info. I am very excited about this and will definitely upload my info to help you out. I just need to feel more comfortable using it.

[golfwang1600]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucknut7

OMN - how accurate is this tool for players when you switch their position? For instance, there's a DE that scored a 79.4 and a do not draft in his scouted position. But he benched 36 reps, has good size, and is B+ tackle, B hit power and B- block shedding ... so I switched his position on the sheet to DT. Voila! He's now ranked as the fourth-best prospect in the entire class at 93.12.

Most of the time you can change within position groups A-OK! 3-4 OLB Pass Rushers can come down and play DE in a 4-3 more often than not as well. Most likely the dude you are talking about is around 300 lbs. so it is certainly realistic for him to be a DT in a 4-3 or a DE in a 3-4, for example.

If he is not close to or over 300 pounds though I'd be careful because there is a semi-proven "fat 5" theory that essentially states the initial push at snap has a weight/strength roll for the engaging linemen. If you have a 250 pound DT he may just get blown off the line every play even if he has 90 strength. Good block shed will have him recover, but the play has most likely already gone for 3 yards or so at that point.

But yea, I make DE's DT's in the tool quite a bit if they are 290/295+ with 32+ reps, but label their original position in (___) in their name field so I won't reach because of the adjusted OVR.

[golfwang1600]

Quote: Originally Posted by Aeroscorp

Is it just me or are there some player archetypes that are NEVER draftable? In five seasons, I'm yet to see a One Cut HB, Route Running WR, Blocking TE, Zone OL, Nose Tackle, 3-4 Run Stopper DE, or Cover 2 LB even become a red chip. To take it even farther, I'm yet to see a red chip CB make it out of the first round. Are the standards too high for those positions or have I had an unusual run of bad luck? If the former, what archetypes DO seem to get better players? I've noticed Power HBs and Run Blocking OL, in particular, seem to have plenty.

My blue chip one cut RB (Round 6...best late draft player I've ever drafted) just got MVP so maybe you just get unlucky there? Power RBs tend to have good scouted skills, but then their acceleration often brings them to DND from combine scores I've noticed. I do agree with Blocking TE (can make decent FBs though) and Cover 2 LB , their grades tend to be pretty darn low.

I have no proof or knowledge but I feel like the Cover 2 LBs have high "hidden" coverage ratings? Anyone know if that is true? I've gotten a blue chip CB in the 3rd before, but it is really rare and even more frustrating is how 9/10 Prototype CBs are garbage, but I think this is probably for the best as explained below.

CB, in particular, you can draft DND players later on if they had a great combine and have no less than a "C" scouted anywhere. I've had a C+ in zone and press with a C in man coverage end up being my CB #2 after two seasons and maxed out at 80 overall, started at like 70 or something. I personally think that CB is probably the biggest exception group to the tool because, like you said, usually only the 1st rounders are gonna grade very good. Just like in the NFL guys aren't always immediate starters, but doesn't mean they are worth drafting. Can't teach Speed!!!

[ndub2]

I have a finished filled in sheet from a draft I just completed. Are you still looking to data and whats the best way to get it to you?

This tool is great. Thanks for all the work.

[CalQLD]

Quote: Originally Posted by Aeroscorp

Is it just me or are there some player archetypes that are NEVER draftable? In five seasons, I'm yet to see a One Cut HB, Route Running WR, Blocking TE, Zone OL, Nose Tackle, 3-4 Run Stopper DE, or Cover 2 LB even become a red chip. To take it even farther, I'm yet to see a red chip CB make it out of the first round. Are the standards too high for those positions or have I had an unusual run of bad luck? If the former, what archetypes DO seem to get better players? I've noticed Power HBs and Run Blocking OL, in particular, seem to have plenty.

I haven't seen some of these archetypes as draft-able but if you look at the post above yours, the RE at pick 12 was a 3-4 run stopper and I've seen quite a few blue chip RR WR.

I'm the opposite in that I've never seen a red chip CB go in Round 1 and a ton available up until round 7. Thought I can't recall an blue chip Cbs falling past R1.

[eamays]

Quote: Originally Posted by golfwang1600

Most of the time you can change within position groups A-OK! 3-4 OLB Pass Rushers can come down and play DE in a 4-3 more often than not as well. Most likely the dude you are talking about is around 300 lbs. so it is certainly realistic for him to be a DT in a 4-3 or a DE in a 3-4, for example. If he is not close to or over 300 pounds though I'd be careful because there is a semi-proven "fat 5" theory that essentially states the initial push at snap has a weight/strength roll for the engaging linemen. If you have a 250 pound DT he may just get blown off the line every play even if he has 90 strength. Good block shed will have him recover, but the play has most likely already gone for 3 yards or so at that point. But yea, I make DE's DT's in the tool quite a bit if they are 290/295+ with 32+ reps, but label their original position in (___) in their name field so I won't reach because of the adjusted OVR.

golfwang1600,
That's a great idea to add their original position to the name field in the spreadsheet. As I come across prospects that should slide better to another position (slow but tall WR to TE, strong 290+ lbs DE to DT, etc) I've been keeping them on a separate Google Sheet, but your method would work much better....and as luck would have it, I will be entering the combine stats today. Thanks for the suggestion.