The Curious Case of Eli Manning...

[Find_the_Door]

Quote: Originally Posted by SilverBullet19

A few things come to mind for me. -you point out he has superbowl rings as if that matters, it doesn't. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, doesn't mean he was some all pro QB. Also the last time was 2012...irrelevant now -Overall ratings are deceitful. Without looking at their ratings, I can see Bortles being rated higher due to his scrambling ability. You could have a QB with excellent passing accuracy, power, and awareness, but a scrambler may be rated higher overall due to other factors. -Have you watched Eli play the last couple years? He's a head case. He misses tons of passes and makes poor decisions. Personally, I haven't considered him to be Elite for quite a while, and 80 overall seems spot on to me.

Not to mention the best trait he's brought to the table since being drafted is his durability.

[Find_the_Door]

Quote: Originally Posted by PhillyPhanatic14

Yes. This is coming from multiple Eagles fans so we've watched him play. The thing is, he is not 6-7 points worse than Dak. I get that dak won some games and has an incredible oline but he isn't that much better than Eli. Neither is Kirk cousins or dalton. I love Wentz but the rating on him is legit and he is not 1 point worse than Eli. Eli isn't the best but he isn't this bad and guys like Dak and Kirk are definitely not that good.

Honestly I feel that Dak is somewhat underrated - he's very efficient. Makes some really high level throws look effortless. I'm very interested to see how he handles being "the guy" going into year two. Something tells me though that he's gonna be special for some time.

I think the thing with Dak is that he looks so good as a rookie that others are quick to tear him down simply because they're evaluating him as a vet - don't forget he's now just a second year player! No one has ever looked this good out of the gates in an offense that requires him to make multiple reads (i.e not the protected RG3 offense).

[SeaTownGamer]

Seems like Giants fans in this thread don't have a problem with his rating. Only non NYG fans have an issue with it. If anything the Giants fans see Eli play regularly and follow him more than any of us so if they say he deserves that 80 then I'll roll with them in this argument. Lol


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[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by SeaTownGamer

Seems like Giants fans in this thread don't have a problem with his rating. Only non NYG fans have an issue with it. If anything the Giants fans see Eli play regularly and follow him more than any of us so if they say he deserves that 80 then I'll roll with them in this argument. Lol

It's not an argument. Keep in mind we don't have a dog in the fight--i'm no Eli fan....Its more about accuracy and consistency for most of us. We just want it to make sense...

We're trying to understand what goes into rating players....and we're hoping there's a system that's consistent, based on production/scouting/grading that accurately separates the NFL's Elite, Good, Solid, Average and Poor players. As I said earlier, sports games operate almost exclusively from ratings...they're one of the most important aspects...some would say the MOST important.

that said, if its highlight-based on a whim, highlights and the POV of one person and not any kind of system....that's important to know too.

[edgevoice]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm an Eagles fan...I HATE the Giants--not as bad as the Cowboys--but still.... The question i'm asking is: "Why is Eli Manning rated an 80?" While its often said that ratings are subjective (and they are--to an extent) i've always thought that using production (which isn't subjective) was more accurate....and that ratings consistency meant more than anything...right? When I look at a guy like Luke Kuechly avg 124 tackles the last 3 years, i'm fine with him having a higher tackle rating than say, Jordan Hicks (who's avg'd 67) it just kinda makes sense. Which is why the "Eli Thing" is a splinter in my brain...its not like he plays in some small market or is someone you can overlook...he has 2 superbowl rings for crying out loud. Also: 1) How does something like that happen in a legitimate ratings system? 2) It makes me wonder what other ratings are this way off...3) It destroys my confidence in the ratings--which--lets be honest--are the backbone of any sports game.... I first noticed the Eli thing last year when Blake Bortles was rated higher than him...it was only a point but just didn't sit right. I've always thought you look at a 3 year window (emphasizing the most recent yr) when you determine ratings. Blake was coming off his first big year (58.9-35-18-4428) after a bad rookie season (58.9-2908-11-17). Eli was coming off a strong 2014 (63.1-30-14-4410) and followed it up with an even stronger 2015 (62.6-35-14-4436) NY was 6-10 and Jacksonville was 5-11.... I looked at Eli's 84 rating and Blake's 85 and thought...How? How does that happen? Then this year happened...I watched Eli drop 4 more OVR points and i'm kinda baffled. How does a guy who's averaged 30TDs and 14 INTs the last 3 years (63-4027-26-16 last year) get rated an 80? How other players perform in comparison certainly matters...sure--but explain that when Ben Roethslisberger (27-12 during that same span) is rated a 91? Help me out here...is it yardage? Can't be...Eli's last 3 yrs are 4410-4436-4027...Ben? 4952-3938-3819. Maybe having a really good receiving corps means Eli's numbers are skewed? Again--nope. Ben has had a very deep group led by AB, who many consider the best in the NFL. The only real discrepancy I could see is the Giants record was 6-10 in 2014 and 2015 and was 11-5 last year while PIT was 11-5 in 2015, 10-6 in 2015 and 11-5 last year...and while a winning record should factor as a small part of rating...is it worth 11 whole points? P.S. Carson Wentz had a solid rookie year (62.1-3782-16-14) and is rated a 79. Do you guys see my dilemma? What do you think? What am I missing here? Help me out.

Full disclosure: I am a Cowboys fan who respects all 31 other teams, but yeah I guess I don't care much for your Eagles... lol Great post. I always thought Eli was short changed in the ratings department. I always bump him up in my offline franchise. When you consider the problems the Giants have had with both the o-line and running back positions, Eli has had to carry a heavy load and has done it very well in my opinion.

[Ueauvan]

as a 9ers fan id take Eli's last season for our qb

[Yukon46]

I will just say if Madden had a rating system that had a category for "Experience", and used it to modify the Overall rating.... more experience equals higher overall rating. Eli would be higher rated, which he should be.

They seem to use "awareness" for this, but it just does not work right.... or should I say EA does not use it right.

They use it to show "Football Smarts", awareness to situations on the field, and it seems like it is now built into actual things on the field (blocking for example)..... but where does a player benefit from experience ??

Experience ties more into knowledge and knowing system's...and is a crucial part in coaching decisions in the real NFL. But in Madden, without such a rating to account for experience.....it is pointless.
And that right there is one of the main problems with the rating system in Madden.

[jb12780]

Giants fan here. Eli is a wild card. Never know which Eli is going to turn up.

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