Zones defense issue

[extremeskins04]

I know the game hasn't launched yet and Rex is atleast aware of the issue, but do you think they will fix this in the day one patch? A tuner update? Or the 1st official patch that usually comes in the first or second week of September?

The zones defense nerf borderline breaks the game for all types of players, CFM, competitive, etc.

If the zones are too easy or dumbed down then what's the point of trying to rebuild a defense on a team. Personally I'm just going to play Longshot until this gets fixed cause there's really no point in starting my CFM until then.

What's your opinion on the timeframe of the fix?

[xCoachDx]

Re: Zones defense issue

SimFootballCritic said last night that it will 100% NOT be fixed on Day one. The Coverage issue was a part of the day one patch build. Also said that this cannot be fixed with tuners, will have to be a full patch to fix.


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[TDKing]

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Still on the fence till i try the game myself via ea access but will definitely NOT purchase till zones are fixed.

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[extremeskins04]

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SimFootballCritic said last night that it will 100% NOT be fixed on Day one. The Coverage issue was a part of the day one patch build. Also said that this cannot be fixed with tuners, will have to be a full patch to fix.


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Did Rex actually say that it won't be fixed day one?

[4thQtrStre5S]

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They won't fix zones until they collect a good amount of data and then compare it to their NFL data and so forth.

Most likely, in EA's mind, the zones are not broken; they may not be what GC's played with at EA Play, but broken and different are two different things.

I think EA wants to examine MUT Squads and see how real life players affect game play, which would include zone play. Imagine, 3 users playing zones: 1 inside LB, and then 2 users playing a corner on each side; that is some major coverage ability and if zones were too tight, you may not have enough reason for a user to control a corner.

EA/Tib has made usering CB's and OL player more fun, according to their blogs and interviews; I think EA is headed to a more user vs user format; even going so far as allowing up to 6 users per side.

Teams in e-sports are generally 5 players if I recall correctly, and in shooters they are called clans or "squads."

[extremeskins04]

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They won't fix zones until they collect a good amount of data and then compare it to their NFL data and so forth.

Most likely, in EA's mind, the zones are not broken; they may not be what GC's played with at EA Play, but broken and different are two different things.

I think EA wants to examine MUT Squads and see how real life players affect game play, which would include zone play. Imagine, 3 users playing zones: 1 inside LB, and then 2 users playing a corner on each side; that is some major coverage ability and if zones were too tight, you may not have enough reason for a user to control a corner.

EA/Tib has made usering CB's and OL player more fun, according to their blogs and interviews; I think EA is headed to a more user vs user format; even going so far as allowing up to 6 users per side.

Teams in e-sports are generally 5 players if I recall correctly, and in shooters they are called clans or "squads."

But collecting data regarding Rex's pass yardage per gm numbers isn't going to tell them that zones are working or broken.

Pass attempts vs completions will. This is why I don't understand Rex's graph. It's like inconclusive and meaningless data in regards to the potential issue.

[xCoachDx]

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Did Rex actually say that it won't be fixed day one?

He said that was a statement from Rex/Devs yes.


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[scoobyskyline3]

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I need to play the game first, to see how bad zone is.

But I dont want zone to be overpowered like it was, in I think it was madden 25.

Where people would play cover 3 all game, and it would over every route like glue.

I have no problem with zone being the way it is, as long as they fix man coverage. Man coverage last year was not reliable, even if you had a 99 CB.

Man coverage was utterly pointless last madden

When you guys say zone is broken, are you saying they play their zones worse than last year? i havent seen the video but if its unplayable, that is scary. When i hear unplayable im imagining flat zone corners trying to cover deep 3rd on the opposite side of the field.

Can anyone explain how broken it is?

[roadman]

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Rex isn't just aware of it, he has strongly said on Twitter he's got this.

Sim said it will probably be in shortly after launch.

I just wish the GCer's could get the team to look at the QB in pocket issue.

[Cowboy008]

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SimFootballCritic said last night that it will 100% NOT be fixed on Day one. The Coverage issue was a part of the day one patch build. Also said that this cannot be fixed with tuners, will have to be a full patch to fix.


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Well that's disappointing.

[NEOPARADIGM]

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I just wish the GCer's could get the team to look at the QB in pocket issue.

This is the much more pressing issue, imo. I watched most of that vid in question and besides dude whining about how he didn't like it as much as before (which was what the entire vid boiled down to, imo, and could have been 1000% shorter in that respect) I barely saw anything that would warrant calling zones "broken." Not saying it looked amazing or anything but it looked like Madden. Not seeing the reason for all the shock and awe.

[OhMrHanky]

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This is the much more pressing issue, imo. I watched most of that vid in question and besides dude whining about how he didn't like it as much as before (which was what the entire vid boiled down to, imo, and could have been 1000% shorter in that respect) I barely saw anything that would warrant calling zones "broken." Not saying it looked amazing or anything but it looked like Madden. Not seeing the reason for all the shock and awe.

Well, I think simply from all the videos, it just looks like the middle of the field is WIDE OPEN, so that's why I'm concerned, anyways. But, I also agree, QB AI is extremely important as well. I think a lot of people are complaining about both. Lol.

But, seriously, the safeties look like they're dropping too deep and the MLB isn't paying attention to players in front of or around them, imo. It's tough to tell for sure without playing it, but again, I just keep seeing completion after completion over the middle. And, Rex has said something about it and simftballcritic mentioned the deal.


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[xCoachDx]

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The concern is due to how much better they were a couple of weeks ago. I have no clue why you guys are saying they look normal bc they are clearly not working properly. While a few weeks ago, zones were working great and people were blown away by how good the game was playing, Rex (for some unknown reason) believed it would be too difficult for newcomers so they dialed back the zone coverage for ALL modes. Which makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME. You want to make arcade mode easier? By all means go right ahead. But don't make the rest of the game easier just because newcomers can't handle it. Literally the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I have no clue what goes through the brains of people at EA. They continue to baffle me year after year.


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[roadman]

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The concern is due to how much better they were a couple of weeks ago. I have no clue why you guys are saying they look normal bc they are clearly not working properly. While a few weeks ago, zones were working great and people were blown away by how good the game was playing, Rex (for some unknown reason) believed it would be too difficult for newcomers so they dialed back the zone coverage for ALL modes. Which makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME. You want to make arcade mode easier? By all means go right ahead. But don't make the rest of the game easier just because newcomers can't handle it. Literally the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I have no clue what goes through the brains of people at EA. They continue to baffle me year after year.


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That maybe partially true, but if you listen to the podcast with Clint in this very forum, he also mentioned 3 weeks after EA play, the EA testers found 7 bugs within zone defense. As he explained, something fixing it in one area, might cause something else to go haywire without noticing it.

[xCoachDx]

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That maybe partially true, but if you listen to the podcast with Clint in this very forum, he also mentioned 3 weeks after EA play, the EA testers found 7 bugs within zone defense. As he explained, something fixing it in one area, might cause something else to go haywire without noticing it.

Seems odd how the zone defense can look so good, then by fixing "bugs" it becomes messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if that's a bunch of crap.


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