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Old 08-14-2017, 01:25 AM   #33
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

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It appears we have the same sentiment.

I know my $60 doesn't mean much to then. However, I'm hopeful that enough people are willing to hold Madden accountable this season and boycott it until we see some real change, and until they quit hemorrhaging resources from Madden to compete with 2k and revive a just as stale EA basketball title.
Have you downloaded the demo to the EA basketball game? It's not stale and it's not a bad game of basketball, but that is a different thread.

I agree, if people aren't happy with what Madden is producing up to this point, wait a week or more.
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:29 AM   #34
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

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Have you downloaded the demo to the EA basketball game? It's not stale and it's not a bad game of basketball, but that is a different thread.

I agree, if people aren't happy with what Madden is producing up to this point, wait a week or more.
I refuse to acknowledge that games existence until John White is fully dedicated to Madden.

But that is good that Live is exceeding expectations. That just proves Madden can do it to.

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Old 08-14-2017, 02:26 AM   #35
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

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This is what I'm afraid of. I hope they don't overdo it in a patch so QB's just throw the ball away at the littlest bit of pressure.
That would be horrible considering in 17 they threw the ball away way too much as it was. It's important to note that this is so much more than just the QB standing still in the pocket issue, it's an entire QB AI issue. QB AI is bad pretty much all around and this is just part of that. Another extension of this issue is the fact that QB's don't ever scramble. It's one thing for a guy like Brady to be a statue in the pocket, it's entirely another to watch guys like Russell Wilson, Kaepernick, or Mariota to never even attempt to look to use their legs. It's not being overblown and this has nothing to do with there being too many sacks or sacks just looking bad, it has to do with all around poor QB AI and we don't need to play it to understand it's likely much like M17 in that regard.

Does this look familiar? It's from Madden 17.



No? Well here's Madden 18:



"What's the problem though? Seems like QB's moving isn't really an issue."

The problem is that QB's moving is already extremely rare as it is and more often than not when they do finally end up doing it, they are completely oblivious to anything logical and do everything they can to not scramble or make good decisions.

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Based off the M18 vids I'm going to say that it will likely be very, very similar to Madden 17 which was not good at all. We can wait to play 18 and then start-up another 25+ page thread showing all the same examples we did last year but I'd say chances are minimal of changing such a substantial issue with a patch or tuner which is really unfortunate for such an integral part of a football game.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:23 AM   #36
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Just isn't football. I'll pass based on the gifs above. Sorry but FIFA is killing Madden at this point. I rather not play a football game and I never thought I'd say that back when I was slidering Madden 12-15 to death.

I do have EA access so i will play it but the consistent 5+ second pockets and bad QB AI makes playing the CPU worthless to me. It may be great head to head so I'll give it a shot for that but hardly worth buying when I will be knee deep in FIFA a month later.

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Old 08-14-2017, 08:57 AM   #37
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Just isn't football. I'll pass based on the gifs above. Sorry but FIFA is killing Madden at this point. I rather not play a football game and I never thought I'd say that back when I was slidering Madden 12-15 to death.

I do have EA access so i will play it but the consistent 5+ second pockets and bad QB AI makes playing the CPU worthless to me. It may be great head to head so I'll give it a shot for that but hardly worth buying when I will be knee deep in FIFA a month later.
I feel like Madden 15 was the last Madden that these excuses could be accepted on.

I've seen or felt no progress since that point tbh. Especially regarding legacy issues stemming from how badly coded this game seems to be.
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:03 AM   #38
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I refuse to acknowledge that games existence until John White is fully dedicated to Madden.

But that is good that Live is exceeding expectations. That just proves Madden can do it to.
I'm sure wherever EA tells him where to work, John will work in either area or both that provides him a paycheck.

I'm sure everyone is rooting for Madden to exceed expectations.
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:19 AM   #39
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In the past I have suggested similar measures and had my threads shut down etc.

Not to mention I know those EA guys are on this board and read these threads, heck you see them commenting in threads praising the game, but a thread like this? They won't go anywhere near it.

EDIT: That was not a shot at the mods, just making the point that making downright negative threads saying "Don't buy the game" will get you nowhere.

The reason devs won't come near a thread like this is because it has delved into the same discussion nearly every other thread has.

The title says we can't accept the current AI quarterback play, and I don't disagree. Yet that has hardly been discussed in this thread.
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:26 AM   #40
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I've been watching videos over again and there is times in each video where the QB AI moves around the pocket to avoid pressure. I think the problem with the QB AI is that it's not consistent enough. On one play we see the AI just stand still in the pocket until someone gets open or he gets sacked but then on the very next play the AI rolls out to avoid pressure and completes a pass. I'm hoping they can fix it with a tuner update on day 1 but I know that's not likely to happen.
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