Auto Subs

[niles08]

Are auto subs working this year? I would absolutely love to have a true two-back system without having to manually sub the running backs in and out. I heard fatigue was working correctly which had me hopeful that auto-subs would also work well.

[Big Bankhead]

Re: Auto Subs

Yes they are and you don't have to touch them this year. Finally back up d linemen will actually sub in during drives so having that depth in cfm matters this year.

[ednaaard]

Re: Auto Subs

Yes they are and you don't have to touch them this year. Finally back up d linemen will actually sub in during drives so having that depth in cfm matters this year.

Do you have official confirmation that this is fixed? (The HB auto-sub feature)

[Datninja619]

Re: Auto Subs

Do you have official confirmation that this is fixed? (The HB auto-sub feature)

The auto subs by default are scaled 60/40 I believe or vice versa.

I don't think I clicked a special setting either , I just noticed it when I went to adjust them myself.

Just from playing, I can confirm that HBs sub automatically, using the chargers Oliver would come in for Gordon

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[DocHolliday]

Re: Auto Subs

From everything I have seen, the "best" back is always getting 25+ carriers, with the back up getting around 4. It seems to be worse if you have a different 3rd down RB as they main back recovers in that time and is back in on running downs.

Not sure if changing numbers actually works this year.

[IcedCoffee1983]

Re: Auto Subs

I think all that changed is default is now 60 out and 80 in (as opposed to 50 in the past) so now on default CPU teams should actually sub in their 2nd RB once in a while.

What I'm more concerned with, is if raising fatigue will result in dissapearing players again in the 4th quarter.

[feeq14]

Re: Auto Subs

They were fixed last year during an early patch

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Auto Subs

I think all that changed is default is now 60 out and 80 in (as opposed to 50 in the past) so now on default CPU teams should actually sub in their 2nd RB once in a while.

What I'm more concerned with, is if raising fatigue will result in dissapearing players again in the 4th quarter.

From everything I have seen, the "best" back is always getting 25+ carriers, with the back up getting around 4. It seems to be worse if you have a different 3rd down RB as they main back recovers in that time and is back in on running downs.

Not sure if changing numbers actually works this year.

I am testing fatigue and can say when I find the right sweet spot it works. But it is not progressive fatigue. They fully recover for the next drive.

As far as Auto Subs go....at default I am starting to see DE and LB's subbing out on long drives. I have not seen any disappearing players yet.

For RB's.....nope. I use the formation subs of my opponent (I create the coach I am going to face the week before I play them so I can do their game prep per JoshC1977) I then set up formation subs for the team and plug in their second back (some teams use three backs so i can control this) in some clear cut running formations. If they are more of a scat back/3rd down back I plug them into spread and shotgun formations. I base all my formation subs that I do for the CPU on their team personnel. The great thing is after you retire the coach after you play their game....the formation subs will stick (as well as the coaches scheme which I also modify if it needs to be corrected based on JoshC1977's chart).

So that workaround is easy and works fantastic and I don't have to chase any auto sub settings for RB's. Saves me a lot of time....and actually the game is far better because I will see the other RB's in the game and see a true workload distributed properly.

[DocHolliday]

Re: Auto Subs

I am testing fatigue and can say when I find the right sweet spot it works. But it is not progressive fatigue. They fully recover for the next drive.

As far as Auto Subs go....at default I am starting to see DE and LB's subbing out on long drives. I have not seen any disappearing players yet.

For RB's.....nope. I use the formation subs of my opponent (I create the coach I am going to face the week before I play them so I can do their game prep per JoshC1977) I then set up formation subs for the team and plug in their second back (some teams use three backs so i can control this) in some clear cut running formations. If they are more of a scat back/3rd down back I plug them into spread and shotgun formations. I base all my formation subs that I do for the CPU on their team personnel. The great thing is after you retire the coach after you play their game....the formation subs will stick (as well as the coaches scheme which I also modify if it needs to be corrected based on JoshC1977's chart).

So that workaround is easy and works fantastic and I don't have to chase any auto sub settings for RB's. Saves me a lot of time....and actually the game is far better because I will see the other RB's in the game and see a true workload distributed properly.

Thats pretty cool Sword. You know if that effects Sim Stats at all?

So you looking at like 5 min per team you face?

I won't mention that it still is pretty ridiculous that we have to do that in 2017...

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Auto Subs

Thats pretty cool Sword. You know if that effects Sim Stats at all?

So you looking at like 5 min per team you face?

I won't mention that it still is pretty ridiculous that we have to do that in 2017...

Oh yeah I am seeing at least 5 sometimes 10-11 touches for back up backs. If it is Atlanta for example I make sure Coleman get in on a lot of formations and get's "his" touches. I consider touches in both the passing and running game too. So maybe a back like Drake on the Dolphins will get 5 carries and 3 receptions.

Sim stats look good too!

So yes. It works well. And I agree we should not have to do this at this stage!

[vrtkolman]

Re: Auto Subs

I am testing fatigue and can say when I find the right sweet spot it works. But it is not progressive fatigue. They fully recover for the next drive.

As far as Auto Subs go....at default I am starting to see DE and LB's subbing out on long drives. I have not seen any disappearing players yet.

For RB's.....nope. I use the formation subs of my opponent (I create the coach I am going to face the week before I play them so I can do their game prep per JoshC1977) I then set up formation subs for the team and plug in their second back (some teams use three backs so i can control this) in some clear cut running formations. If they are more of a scat back/3rd down back I plug them into spread and shotgun formations. I base all my formation subs that I do for the CPU on their team personnel. The great thing is after you retire the coach after you play their game....the formation subs will stick (as well as the coaches scheme which I also modify if it needs to be corrected based on JoshC1977's chart).

So that workaround is easy and works fantastic and I don't have to chase any auto sub settings for RB's. Saves me a lot of time....and actually the game is far better because I will see the other RB's in the game and see a true workload distributed properly.

I appreciate the advice Armor, but that sounds rather time consuming and tedious to do this for every opponent, IMO.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Auto Subs

I appreciate the advice Armor, but that sounds rather time consuming and tedious to do this for every opponent, IMO.

It's not at all.

You only do it for your opponents on your schedule!

So EG:

Week one I am playing the Bucs. In pre-season week four I create the coach for the Bucs (I use the real life coaches). I then go straight to his formation sub screen and set them up...takes me 5 minutes max..usually shorter than that.

Sim his game prep (set offense game prep to red zone offense set defense to red zone defense and then simulate it) that takes 20 seconds.

Done.

Advance to week one.

Play my game.

After the game retire the Bucs coach (takes 10 seconds)

Formation subs stick all season.

Injury will change that. But I am not playing them again unless I see them in the Super Bowl.

Just a tad of work to make the game sooooooo much better.

Thing is I play on average 2-3 full games a week once I get my CFM up and running (I also play the crap out of MLB The Show and this year NBA Live so I choose my sports games each night on which franchise I will play). I play 15 minute quarters and my games take an average of 70-80 minutes to play. I love the full game experience.

[The Kid 24]

Re: Auto Subs

I am testing fatigue and can say when I find the right sweet spot it works. But it is not progressive fatigue. They fully recover for the next drive.

As far as Auto Subs go....at default I am starting to see DE and LB's subbing out on long drives. I have not seen any disappearing players yet.

For RB's.....nope. I use the formation subs of my opponent (I create the coach I am going to face the week before I play them so I can do their game prep per JoshC1977) I then set up formation subs for the team and plug in their second back (some teams use three backs so i can control this) in some clear cut running formations. If they are more of a scat back/3rd down back I plug them into spread and shotgun formations. I base all my formation subs that I do for the CPU on their team personnel. The great thing is after you retire the coach after you play their game....the formation subs will stick (as well as the coaches scheme which I also modify if it needs to be corrected based on JoshC1977's chart).

So that workaround is easy and works fantastic and I don't have to chase any auto sub settings for RB's. Saves me a lot of time....and actually the game is far better because I will see the other RB's in the game and see a true workload distributed properly.

Armor bud... Do if you have this info in your slider thread?