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Old 06-14-2018, 07:08 PM   #193
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I think a lot of people are not getting it.....

Archetypes/Schemes are not going to do much of anything on the field in of themselves.

What they ARE going to do is direct the progression of players and team personnel over time. THAT progression is what is going to make a difference on the field.

As teams develop players, they will be developing ratings specific to their archetypes (and ideally the archetypes adhering to the scheme). Over time, players will develop higher ratings in those specific areas in lieu of the more scattershot development we've seen in past years.

Say we have a pass rushing OLB. In past Maddens, the CPU would more-or-less develop whatever ratings could be upgraded at the time based on the available XP. They would have a hard time progressing as they would fall into the "jack of all trades, master of none" paradigm. With the scheme/archetype system in place, CPU teams should develop a pass rusher archetype to fit their scheme...giving that OLB boosts in the ratings specific to that archetype IN LIEU of say boosts as a cover backer. This "guided" progression will result in players having higher ratings in their area-specific traits relative to their weaknesses. THIS my friends is where player differentiation comes into play, this is where the gameplay impact is. This is where you will begin to see those added specialist positions begin to matter, this is where matchups begin to mean more. Extend this across all 22 players....you've changed the game..

BUT, unless EA does an amazing job on the initial roster release; we will not see the fruits of this new progression system until we are a couple of years into our franchises.....and the deeper we are, the more dynamic it is going to be.
I think that's as good a system as any, really. No game has gotten progression/regression right. Its probably an imposiible task. As long as I have the ability to edit players to my liking and correct things I think are wrong I'm good. I may do a 10 year sim if its still in the game just to see how different players turn out.

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Old 06-14-2018, 07:08 PM   #194
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I think a lot of people are not getting it.....

Archetypes/Schemes are not going to do much of anything on the field in of themselves.

What they ARE going to do is direct the progression of players and team personnel over time. THAT progression is what is going to make a difference on the field.

As teams develop players, they will be developing ratings specific to their archetypes (and ideally the archetypes adhering to the scheme). Over time, players will develop higher ratings in those specific areas in lieu of the more scattershot development we've seen in past years.

Say we have a pass rushing OLB. In past Maddens, the CPU would more-or-less develop whatever ratings could be upgraded at the time based on the available XP. They would have a hard time progressing as they would fall into the "jack of all trades, master of none" paradigm. With the scheme/archetype system in place, CPU teams should develop a pass rusher archetype to fit their scheme...giving that OLB boosts in the ratings specific to that archetype IN LIEU of say boosts as a cover backer. This "guided" progression will result in players having higher ratings in their area-specific traits relative to their weaknesses. THIS my friends is where player differentiation comes into play, this is where the gameplay impact is. This is where you will begin to see those added specialist positions begin to matter, this is where matchups begin to mean more. Extend this across all 22 players....you've changed the game..

BUT, unless EA does an amazing job on the initial roster release; we will not see the fruits of this new progression system until we are a couple of years into our franchises.....and the deeper we are, the more dynamic it is going to be.
As someone who always puts 12+ seasons into CFM every year, I am looking forward to the future years in this season even more than before.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:20 PM   #195
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But then you ask yourself the question why would the cpu sign Henry if he isn't a scheme fit? And if this were the case wouldn't he demand a trade/his release if he is a great fit in another scheme? Which is not currently in Madden obviously, but...
Unless a person is just a Madden basher (which there are several that frequent the threads), we can assume that the AI was worked on in some fashion so the Scheme Fit mechanism can function properly.

Also, thereís still a lot of under-the-hood stuff at play dealing with each AI Owner/Coach profile, thatís not visible on the front end.
1) how they go about building their team
- Draft
- Trade (veteran vs young)
- FA

Oh, thereís a whole lot more stuff at play that hasnít made its way to the front end.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:29 PM   #196
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Unless a person is just a Madden basher (which there are several that frequent the threads), we can assume that the AI was worked on in some fashion so the Scheme Fit mechanism can function properly.

Also, thereís still a lot of under-the-hood stuff at play dealing with each AI Owner/Coach profile, thatís not visible on the front end.
1) how they go about building their team
- Draft
- Trade (veteran vs young)
- FA

Oh, thereís a whole lot more stuff at play that hasnít made its way to the front end.
Are you saying that under the hood tweaks have been made to CPU AI, but haven't been communicated yet?

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I think that they will still search for elite players though. Look at OBJ, his archetype is Deep threat-95 OVR. His other three OVRs are all 93. He's a scheme fit for every team. Now they will probably pass on a 94 speed guy whose other abilities make him a 72 OVR possession guy, but I don't think that that is a bad thing personality. It's not as nuance a system as people want and we see in real life, but it does provide some identity for teams.
Those examples are extremes though. I'm talking about a situation where the 49ers may have two possession guys rated in the mid 80s and they look to acquire a 3rd WR. The two choices could be a 83 ovr possession guy or a deep threat who is rated as a 77 possession WR.

Who does the AI sign? The clear choice is that deep threat to complement the two possession guys, but info suggests they would sign the 83 ovr guy because of scheme fit.

So years into your franchise yes, teams will have identities but those identities will be too one sided.
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Are you saying that under the hood tweaks have been made to CPU AI, but haven't been communicated yet?

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Thereís just no way they can/will communicate everything that theyíve done, esp under-the-hood stuff.
- it would just lead to more confusion than needed

I just wanted to note that thereís a lot more tools in place that the AI is using to deal with that particular analogy presented, that we donít see on the front end.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:51 PM   #199
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Though majority of this news was let out during EA play I'm still happy with the result. From reading this forum and twitter most feel that the blog is a let down because of it. But the fact that we have moved into 19 with hopefully an approach to adding more features in 19 and beyond to CFM I'm getting hype. Custom draft classes is a big piece for my online franchise with my guys and adding in schemes and archetypes make team building fun and worth while and will make me want to keep engaged with a franchise for more then one year.
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People bummed about not seeing anything new need to understand that this blog is mainly for the average player who doesn't follow E3 or sites like OS and get their first bit of news from sources like that. We are in the know because we want to be.


As far as what I read I am stoked beyond belief and can not wait for this years game. To me the whole scheme change is the start of what I hope to be a beautiful thing. This is what I originally envisioned when they first came out with it and I only think it will get better and better. Specialist depth positions is fantastic and way over do. I can not wait!!!
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