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[stinkubus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bris_Celtic

Cheers heaps for the replies everyone. Much appreciated! I'm starting a franchise with the Steelers (my team). Basically a whole rebuild focusing on youth. Similar to the Bills scenario posted by another user. I have been using this thread to scout Talent. I'm pretty sold on Tyree Jackson as the QB - does anyone he if still develops well with the roster update? I'm going to focus on the run game - probably a West Coast Power Run or Multiple Run Scheme. These are some of the players I'm currently looking at and there positions. QB - Tyree Jackson HB James Connor/Ballage FB - I need a good blocking fullback - I'm hoping and wondering if I could switch Ballage to this position. I plan to use Connor/Ballage heavily. Will have to check it out. WR - Juju, Boykin, Butler, Hall and Debo Samuel TE - I plan to use my TE as mainly a blocker. Anyone have any recommendations for a primary blocking TE?

If you are using PIT just keep Vance McDonald until he retires. Dude is a tank in the run game.

[Eduardo_Pena]

I will have to see more playing time for this next player, probably very unexpected sleeper. I have used Tyree Jackson often and the same issues plague him all the time when I watch games. He is woefully inaccurate, prone to the INT, and makes poor decisions with the football.



In a fire sale type season with the Dolphins I did pick him up and play him again and saw all the same issues as before. I usually grab Brock Osweiler because he is a QB that fits my scheme and can be the starter while Jackson gets the majority of snaps against the subs in pre-season. This time though I did something different.


My Vertical Zone run book calls for a Strong Arm QB. While Jackson has a big time throwing power, he is a scrambler type and his strong arm rating is far behind his scrambler. So for the heck of it, I chose Bret Rypien. Though is THP is only 83, he IS a strong arm archetype.



All through pre season I saw Rypien make passes that Tyree could only dream about. He is accurate and hits his guys in stride. He struggles with the deep ball at times and his horrible WR corps let him down with drops or the bounce off the hands INTs. Since I am tanking the season anyway I made a bold choice. Rypien would start as a 50's OVR QB.


The first game I simmed didn't go well. We lost by a bunch but Rypien's numbers weren't terrible. Then a miracle happened. My second game was against New England. I figured there was no way we were going to win. Not only did we beat NE, but we blew them out. Rypien tossed for big yards, multiple TDs and won POW honors. I am about to go back into that season and play it out to the end and see how he winds up.

[Eduardo_Pena]

Finished the season with Brett Rypien who stayed healthy all season long. Unfortunately the highlight of beating NE 34-14 was the only win of the season and we also managed to tie the Cowboys 24-24. After that all losses. Despite that and his overall numbers, Rypien won OROY. Here are the results:


Season 1: 269/462 (58%) 3,169 yards 20TD 14INT 197.6YPG 80.9 RAT
Season 2: 289/462 (62%) 3,374 yards 29TD 10INT 210.9YPG 96.5 RAT
Season 3: 312/488 (63%) 4,100 yards 31TD 8 INT 256.3YPG 104.7 RAT *5th best AFC QB*




Not exactly great numbers. Tyree's from another season were slightly better. He did get Cameron Meredith 1000 yards 5TD and TE Gesicki almost 700 yards and 4 TD. His receivers were pretty much garbage. Meredith, Rishard Matthews, Jakeem Grant, Emmanuel Hall, and Isiah Ford.



I wasn't expecting much and that's what I got. He isn't my long term answer, but those are serviceable numbers for a tanking team and might even be back up worthy on a team with a much better O-line and weapons.

[Eduardo_Pena]

Continuing the Brett Rypien saga:


He was my starter again in year two because the draft class was putrid for QBs. He got me through another season and this year we posted 5 wins. Another draft class, another poor one for QB's. He may very well start a 3rd season for me. I brought in old fave Tyree Jackson for a camp battle in pre season allowing them both to have equal time with the 1's. I've changed my offense from vertical zone to West Coast Power Run/KC's scheme. This may work against Rypien as I have seen that the mobility of Tyree helps him get some plays off better, namely play action and bootlegs. If he starts a third season I will add those stats to my previous post about him.

[Eduardo_Pena]

I thought this might help for people looking to build a young, "underrated" O-Line. This is a pretty exhaustive list but if you know of any others please add in:



Caveats:
1) This list will include some 1st round picks
2) Nobody will be over 25

3) All of them will have some stats in the mid 80's for something


LT:
Jonah Williams; CIN: 72 OVR Hidden Dev (21) 80 STR, mid 70's

Yodny Cajuste, NE 61 OVR, normal (22) 85 STR, mid to hi 60's, 81 LBK, 82IBL
Joshua Miles; ARZ 56 OVR normal (23) 85 STR low 60's 78LBK, 79IBL


LG:
Wes Martin; WAS 63 OVR normal (23) 92 STR mid to hi 60's 72 LBK 80 IBL
Phil Haynes; SEA 65 OVR normal (22-23) 91 STR mid to hi 60's 75 LBK 82 IBL - note, he might be a RG instead.

Forrest Lamp; LAC 69 OVR Star 91 STR high 60 - low 70's 87 LBK 86 IBL


C:
Billy Price; CIN 65 OVR Star (24) 86 STR mid 70's 80 LBK 84 IBL
Garrett Bradbury; MIN 71 OVR Hidden Dev (24), 89 STR mid 70s, 80 LBK 81 IBL
Mason Cole; ARZ 63 OVR normal (23) 81 STR, high 60's- low 70's, 81 LBK 80 IBL


RG:
Chris Lindstrom; ATL 70 OVR Hidden Dev (22) 87 STR mid 70's 85 LBK 78 IBL
Jason King; FA 60 OVR Normal 25 93 STR, low 60's 83 LBK, 82 IBL
Dru Samia; MIN 67 OVR Normal 22 88 STR, high 60's 85 LBK 84 IBL



RT:
Tytus Howard HOU; 69 OVR Hidden Dev (23) 83 str, mid 70's, 83 LBK 81 IBL

William Sweet ARZ; 58 OVR Normal (22) 88STR, low 60's

George Asafo-Adjei NYG; 55 OVR Normal (22) 88 STR Low 60's

Isiah Prince MIA; 60 OVR Normal (22) 85 STR, mid 60's 81 LBK 83 IBL

[Cory Levy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Eduardo_Pena

Finished the season with Brett Rypien who stayed healthy all season long. Unfortunately the highlight of beating NE 34-14 was the only win of the season and we also managed to tie the Cowboys 24-24. After that all losses. Despite that and his overall numbers, Rypien won OROY. Here are the results: Season 1: 269/462 (58%) 3,169 yards 20TD 14INT 197.6YPG 80.9 RAT Season 2: 289/462 (62%) 3,374 yards 29TD 10INT 210.9YPG 96.5 RAT Season 3: 312/488 (63%) 4,100 yards 31TD 8 INT 256.3YPG 104.7 RAT *5th best AFC QB* Not exactly great numbers. Tyree's from another season were slightly better. He did get Cameron Meredith 1000 yards 5TD and TE Gesicki almost 700 yards and 4 TD. His receivers were pretty much garbage. Meredith, Rishard Matthews, Jakeem Grant, Emmanuel Hall, and Isiah Ford. I wasn't expecting much and that's what I got. He isn't my long term answer, but those are serviceable numbers for a tanking team and might even be back up worthy on a team with a much better O-line and weapons.

I wonder if there's something in the code about him that's not regularly evident. He seems to always be who the Cowboys sign if they don't retain Prescott. They usually then also draft a QB who has a higher overall so Rypien doesn't get the start but maybe the computer is tapping into that secret knowledge?

[Eduardo_Pena]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cory Levy

I wonder if there's something in the code about him that's not regularly evident. He seems to always be who the Cowboys sign if they don't retain Prescott. They usually then also draft a QB who has a higher overall so Rypien doesn't get the start but maybe the computer is tapping into that secret knowledge?

I am not really sure. I just took a flier on him because he was a scheme fit. His accuracy numbers aren't great but the do progress with time. He also benefited from a re-vamped, young, and improving O-Line, a second year rookie WR who was progressing well, and a real #1 WR. I had actually bid on and thought I was going to win on a legit starting QB in free agency. Wound up losing out and Rypien was still there. While is basic stat line looks pretty good, his RAT was actually bottom tier. Pretty crazy since he was 5th in yards and 7th in TD passes. Must be the comp% holding him back?



When watching him he still struggles on the short passes. That is one of his lowest accuracy scores and I was trying to compensate for it as he progressed. He is like a laser on intermediate passes. It is like the butter zone for his arm strength and accuracy. Even though his deep accuracy is pretty good, he will miss throws because the arm strength just isn't there. He can also scramble a bit and sill surprise you with little bursts for 7-10 yards. He's no Lamar or Tyree Jackson, but it is nice to see it once in awhile.



The other reason why I was trying him is because I got sick of watching Tyree sail throws away all over the field, toss picks left and right. It just isn't worth the 20-30 yard runs he sometimes will break off because then he also usually fumbles at the end. D'oh! So, I am here to make a case that Brett Rypien might be a viable, underrated option.

[noah1212]

Quote: Originally Posted by yankees028

Looking around for some running backs. I may give Derrius Guice a try. Young with really solid stats. Look at these lol His awareness is a 65 if you bump it up to a 85 he goes to a OVR 83 back... Im mind blown of this stat line lol Derrius Guice - Age 22 Speed - 90 STR - 80 AGI - 93 ACC - 91 BTK - 86 TRK - 91 ELU - 81 BCV - 84 SFA - 85 SPM - 81 JKM - 85 CAR - 91

I ended up playing against guice in year three of my franchise in the super bowl. Now keep in mind, my team was the #1 rush defense in the league, and that was our identity. We held Todd Gurley to 20 yards in 14 carries in the divisional round, and held a 99 overall Ezekiel Elliot to 120 yards. Guice split the difference around 65, and definitely showed some tenacity. Most running backs get nothing against the run defense I’ve put together, but this kid was tough. Definitely develops into a strong player.