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  • bugkill1sf
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    • Mar 2012
    • 73

    #1

    EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

    Well, we have players that play Madden in differing ways. I'm mainly a franchise coach player and players like me get super frustrated each year with Madden because they don't seem to grasp what we really would like to have in franchise that doesn't really require significant change. We understand their focus on MUT and other modes, but they simply need to focus on the little things for franchise that would make a significant impact for the mode.

    They would be wise to take a page from NBA2K's MYLeague when it comes to player info cards and stats. They need to be updated and not look so basic.

    1.The player's season stats should be associated with the team they played for each year.

    2. The awards section should only feature major awards, not POTW. Also, it should follow this format after multiple wins of the same award:
    NFL MVP - 2020, 2023
    Pro Bowl selection - 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023
    AFC Rookie of the Year - 2017
    AFC Best RB - 2018, 2019, 2021, 2023
    AFC Best Offensive Player - 2020, 2023

    3. Get rid of the Legacy Leaderboard and feature the Hall of Fame. The legacy point system can stay, but the number to qualify for the HOF is hidden. After players retire, each year would feature names that are eligible and then we find out those that have been selected as the season plays out.

    4. Make all CPU games available to be viewed in spectator mode like in Madden 12.

    5. Numerous other changes.

    Madden 20 franchise shouldn't look so much like 19. If they weren't go to change much of the gameplay with respect to things outside of games, that could have at least made more subtle changes that makes it feel "new" or more expansive. Updating the player cards, stats menu, and adding an actual HOF with detailed player cards, would go a long way in my opinion.
  • prey2god
    MVP
    • Oct 2011
    • 1471

    #2
    Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

    Originally posted by bugkill1sf

    1.The player's season stats should be associated with the team they played for each year.
    Spot on with everything, but THIS all day every day every week. i've been a big proponent on getting this done in Franchise. They apply this magically in the main page of the rosters, but can't do it in Franchise? Are you kidding me? Along with per game stats for every player? ESPN can get it done. Why can't EA?

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    • roadman
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #3
      Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

      It's not the Developers people need to address, it's marketing and the higher ups.

      This is the business process that EA Tibs employs and marketing and higher ups aren't accessible to social media like the developers are on Twitter.

      I don't think anyone disagrees that CFM needs more options to the mode, the question is, when will they do it during their process.

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      • powercord55
        Rookie
        • Nov 2011
        • 123

        #4
        Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

        I couldn't agree more about the really simple things mentioned in the first post - mainly the simple things that always used to exist that showed team name/stats properly from previous seasons in a player card.

        I couldn't care less about watching CPU games though (surely you have better things to do with your time??)

        Originally posted by roadman
        It's not the Developers people need to address, it's marketing and the higher ups.
        Why would marketing people have anything to do with something like player stats from previous year in franchise mode not being shown? I don't understand that logic at all.

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        • roadman
          *ll St*r
          • Aug 2003
          • 26339

          #5
          Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

          Originally posted by powercord55
          I couldn't agree more about the really simple things mentioned in the first post - mainly the simple things that always used to exist that showed team name/stats properly from previous seasons in a player card.

          I couldn't care less about watching CPU games though (surely you have better things to do with your time??)



          Why would marketing people have anything to do with something like player stats from previous year in franchise mode not being shown? I don't understand that logic at all.
          Two Developers, Ian and the recently departed Rex, both mentioned in interviews after they left that marketing and the higher ups make the decisions on what is implemented in the game.

          So, two former Developers that were several years apart both had the same answer.

          Coincidence, I think not.

          Also, I took this from another thread, but a former Designer that worked on Franchise and CFM had said this in general, about a year agonot verbatim)


          AJ was a Designer for franchise mode in Madden during the 12 and 13 years of Madden, which was when they did the switch over to CFM.

          Last year, AJ mentioned that old stuff from the good ole days, (mini camp, Bruno, hot dog prices, etc....) didn't bode well with the new technology(CFM) and would break other parts of the game.

          I'm not a coder or programmer, but that is why the older features didn't make it into CFM.(this is my quote)

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          • reyes the roof
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2009
            • 11526

            #6
            Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

            Hopefully they’ll have a shift in their philosophy soon and stop spending so many resources on back of the box features that get scrapped within a year or two like total control passing or long shot.

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            • ShadyFan25
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              • Jan 2019
              • 207

              #7
              Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

              The fact that previous teams still don't show up in the stats section is pretty embarrassing. It seems like something that could just be patched in.
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              • bugkill1sf
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                • Mar 2012
                • 73

                #8
                Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                Originally posted by powercord55
                I couldn't care less about watching CPU games though (surely you have better things to do with your time??)
                I have a number of created players spread out in the league and I don't play Madden as a player. I play it as a coach, so I do real time cpu vs cpu games to see how my team plays using my plays and scheme. I want the ability to spectate any game that is on the league schedule just to follow some of my created players or other big games.

                Madden 20 is a damn good looking game with much improved animations which make it look realistic. I like setting up games and letting them run which also allows me to step away to take care of other things. At any time I can join the game and make important calls since I have it set to coach mode. I'm in my 40's and I no longer play any of my sports games (NBA, NHL, PES, and FIFA) by taking control of the team or a player. I actually play as a coach and see how the AI play out my strategy.

                This allows me to "play" the game and do those "better" things in a timely manner. LOL
                Last edited by bugkill1sf; 07-30-2019, 08:54 PM.

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                • coach422001
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1492

                  #9
                  Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                  Originally posted by bugkill1sf
                  I have a number of created players spread out in the league and I don't play Madden as a player. I play it as a coach, so I do real time cpu vs cpu games to see how my team plays using my plays and scheme. I want the ability to spectate any game that is on the league schedule just to follow some of my created players or other big games.

                  Madden 20 is a damn good looking game with much improved animations which make it look realistic. I like setting up games and letting them run which also allows me to step away to take care of other things. At any time I can join the game and make important calls since I have it set to coach mode. I'm in my 40's and I no longer play any of my sports games (NBA, NHL, PES, and FIFA) by taking control of the team or a player. I actually play as a coach and see how the AI play out my strategy.

                  This allows me to "play" the game and do those "better" things in a timely manner. LOL
                  You said that much more eloquently than my to aborted attempts to respond.

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                  • BA2929
                    The Designated Hitter
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3342

                    #10
                    Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                    Originally posted by reyes the roof
                    Hopefully they’ll have a shift in their philosophy soon and stop spending so many resources on back of the box features that get scrapped within a year or two like total control passing or long shot.



                    If they don't do 'back of the box features' and just adjust things under the hood many others would say "this is just a glorified roster update". They literally cannot win around here with whatever direction they go with this game.



                    The fact is, they need 'back of the box' features to sell the game to the millions of casual NFL fans out there. The people of OS are in the EXTREME minority of players with this game. 99% of NFL fans are going to look at a Madden commercial during their favorite teams game and say "Wow that looks awesome! Mahomes has a BAZOOKA!" and go buy the game. Meanwhile, the small few of you guys on OS that want realistic trades, a 100% correct salary cap and in-depth historical stats are basically just yelling at a wall because none of it is being heard by anyone who matters. You can't go on TV and say "Madden now has CORRECT HISTORICAL STATS" and expect anyone but about 750 people to care.



                    This is AAA sports video game philosophy now: Make a fun looking game that casual fans will enjoy and be able to lure them in with a flashy new 'back of the box' item. Then try and direct them into Ultimate Team (or MyPlayer in 2k and The Show) so they'll spend more money.



                    This is how it is now and it will never, ever change until people stop buying these games. There is no extra money to be made in Franchise mode. And as much as we like that mode, we are not a priority and not even close to being one. I know some of you guys think you're more important and your opinion has more weight because you come to OS and play "sim franchise", but in the eyes of EA you're not someone who they can get any extra money out of because you're going to buy the game no matter what and not going to spend any extra than the flat game price.
                    Last edited by BA2929; 07-30-2019, 09:23 PM.
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                    • bugkill1sf
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                      • Mar 2012
                      • 73

                      #11
                      Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                      Originally posted by BA2929
                      If they don't do 'back of the box features' and just adjust things under the hood many others would say "this is just a glorified roster update". They literally cannot win around here with whatever direction they go with this game.



                      The fact is, they need 'back of the box' features to sell the game to the millions of casual NFL fans out there. The people of OS are in the EXTREME minority of players with this game. 99% of NFL fans are going to look at a Madden commercial during their favorite teams game and say "Wow that looks awesome! Mahomes has a BAZOOKA!" and go buy the game. Meanwhile, the small few of you guys on OS that want realistic trades, a 100% correct salary cap and in-depth historical stats are basically just yelling at a wall because none of it is being heard by anyone who matters. You can't go on TV and say "Madden now has CORRECT HISTORICAL STATS" and expect anyone but about 750 people to care.



                      This is AAA sports video game philosophy now: Make a fun looking game that casual fans will enjoy and be able to lure them in with a flashy new 'back of the box' item. Then try and direct them into Ultimate Team (or MyPlayer in 2k and The Show) so they'll spend more money.



                      This is how it is now and it will never, ever change until people stop buying these games. There is no extra money to be made in Franchise mode. And as much as we like that mode, we are not a priority and not even close to being one. I know some of you guys think you're more important and your opinion has more weight because you come to OS and play "sim franchise", but in the eyes of EA you're not someone who they can get any extra money out of because you're going to buy the game no matter what and not going to spend any extra than the flat game price.
                      I agree with you, but the truth of the matter is that Franchise mode mainly needs updated menus and player cards, proper use of editing draft classes, and subtle changes to the presentation if there is no commitment to making big changes. It makes ZERO sense to leave a mode like franchise virtually "untouched" for the last few games. We know where the focus is for those in charge at EA, but doing cosmetic changes to Franchise mode can go a long way.

                      I'm not going to pay full price for this game and I have other games in my library anyway that needs to be played. Improving the cutscenes and giving us proper celebrations for winning the conference title, SB MVP, and the Lombardi Trophy, can go a long way with making Madden 20 feel like a legit new game. Right now, it is entirely too close to Madden 19, except with improvements in gameplay. They splashed a little bit of paint, but they hid behind the Pro Bowl game as being the reason for other content being not done and it makes no damn sense. The Pro Bowl is fine, but the truth of the matter is that the real life game ISN'T really a game. It is a joke and it would have better if they simply simulated the game in Madden and we could check out the stats and see who got MVP.

                      Franchise needs so much more cosmetic work and it should take a page from NBA 2K19 MyLeague. That is what a Madden franchise mode should look like. That is how a Madden game needs to implement roster and draft class editing. They are spending less money in order to maximize profits and it is pretty obvious to see it. There have been too many Madden games that have passed where we have seen slight changes to significant game modes like Franchise.
                      Last edited by bugkill1sf; 07-30-2019, 09:55 PM.

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                      • reyes the roof
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 11526

                        #12
                        Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                        Originally posted by BA2929
                        If they don't do 'back of the box features' and just adjust things under the hood many others would say "this is just a glorified roster update". They literally cannot win around here with whatever direction they go with this game.



                        The fact is, they need 'back of the box' features to sell the game to the millions of casual NFL fans out there. The people of OS are in the EXTREME minority of players with this game. 99% of NFL fans are going to look at a Madden commercial during their favorite teams game and say "Wow that looks awesome! Mahomes has a BAZOOKA!" and go buy the game. Meanwhile, the small few of you guys on OS that want realistic trades, a 100% correct salary cap and in-depth historical stats are basically just yelling at a wall because none of it is being heard by anyone who matters. You can't go on TV and say "Madden now has CORRECT HISTORICAL STATS" and expect anyone but about 750 people to care.



                        This is AAA sports video game philosophy now: Make a fun looking game that casual fans will enjoy and be able to lure them in with a flashy new 'back of the box' item. Then try and direct them into Ultimate Team (or MyPlayer in 2k and The Show) so they'll spend more money.



                        This is how it is now and it will never, ever change until people stop buying these games. There is no extra money to be made in Franchise mode. And as much as we like that mode, we are not a priority and not even close to being one. I know some of you guys think you're more important and your opinion has more weight because you come to OS and play "sim franchise", but in the eyes of EA you're not someone who they can get any extra money out of because you're going to buy the game no matter what and not going to spend any extra than the flat game price.
                        I understand the need for back of the box features, but when you create features for the sake of creating features and then abandon them it’s a waste of resources. I don’t think anyone bought the game for long shot.

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                        • bugkill1sf
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                          • Mar 2012
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                          #13
                          Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                          Originally posted by reyes the roof
                          I don’t think anyone bought the game for long shot.
                          That's exactly what I've been saying! They are giving us modes that we don't need. Madden doesn't need to be like FIFA. We don't need all the effort (and money) wasted on a mode that features celebrities and real life players in a career mode. Who asked for Longshot? Exactly, none of us. They should think of those other ideas after they have gotten the regular modes to a certain level. They have spent years stripping away things from Madden that made the game awesome. It is sad that NCAA 14, NFL 2K, and older Madden games are considered better football games than Madden. Madden has lost it's mind over graphics which has led to them dropping out more significant content for the game.

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                          • TheOncomingStorm
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                            • Sep 2012
                            • 437

                            #14
                            Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                            Originally posted by BA2929
                            If they don't do 'back of the box features' and just adjust things under the hood many others would say "this is just a glorified roster update". They literally cannot win around here with whatever direction they go with this game.



                            The fact is, they need 'back of the box' features to sell the game to the millions of casual NFL fans out there. The people of OS are in the EXTREME minority of players with this game. 99% of NFL fans are going to look at a Madden commercial during their favorite teams game and say "Wow that looks awesome! Mahomes has a BAZOOKA!" and go buy the game. Meanwhile, the small few of you guys on OS that want realistic trades, a 100% correct salary cap and in-depth historical stats are basically just yelling at a wall because none of it is being heard by anyone who matters. You can't go on TV and say "Madden now has CORRECT HISTORICAL STATS" and expect anyone but about 750 people to care.



                            This is AAA sports video game philosophy now: Make a fun looking game that casual fans will enjoy and be able to lure them in with a flashy new 'back of the box' item. Then try and direct them into Ultimate Team (or MyPlayer in 2k and The Show) so they'll spend more money.



                            This is how it is now and it will never, ever change until people stop buying these games. There is no extra money to be made in Franchise mode. And as much as we like that mode, we are not a priority and not even close to being one. I know some of you guys think you're more important and your opinion has more weight because you come to OS and play "sim franchise", but in the eyes of EA you're not someone who they can get any extra money out of because you're going to buy the game no matter what and not going to spend any extra than the flat game price.
                            I'm of the belief that EA has the resources to improve the game more than they do, they just choose not to.

                            Or, the NFL has created limitations on what can and can't be in the game. But I think this is less of a concern than EA's business model.

                            If half of the other sport games can have deeper, more immersive, non-monetized career modes, there's no reason why a game that sells as many copies, and generates as much additional revenue as Madden can't have a deep career mode.

                            It's not that EA can't. They just don't want to.

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                            • Heisman
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 560

                              #15
                              Re: EA devs need to understand Franchise Mode......

                              Originally posted by BA2929
                              If they don't do 'back of the box features' and just adjust things under the hood many others would say "this is just a glorified roster update". They literally cannot win around here with whatever direction they go with this game.



                              The fact is, they need 'back of the box' features to sell the game to the millions of casual NFL fans out there. The people of OS are in the EXTREME minority of players with this game. 99% of NFL fans are going to look at a Madden commercial during their favorite teams game and say "Wow that looks awesome! Mahomes has a BAZOOKA!" and go buy the game. Meanwhile, the small few of you guys on OS that want realistic trades, a 100% correct salary cap and in-depth historical stats are basically just yelling at a wall because none of it is being heard by anyone who matters. You can't go on TV and say "Madden now has CORRECT HISTORICAL STATS" and expect anyone but about 750 people to care.



                              This is AAA sports video game philosophy now: Make a fun looking game that casual fans will enjoy and be able to lure them in with a flashy new 'back of the box' item. Then try and direct them into Ultimate Team (or MyPlayer in 2k and The Show) so they'll spend more money.



                              This is how it is now and it will never, ever change until people stop buying these games. There is no extra money to be made in Franchise mode. And as much as we like that mode, we are not a priority and not even close to being one. I know some of you guys think you're more important and your opinion has more weight because you come to OS and play "sim franchise", but in the eyes of EA you're not someone who they can get any extra money out of because you're going to buy the game no matter what and not going to spend any extra than the flat game price.
                              I get what you’re saying, but I doubt a “casual” fan would even know who Pat Mahomes is. Madden has settings from rookie to all madden. If you know nothing about football then put it on rookie and learn from the tutorials. If you’re an experienced all madden player then don’t hold our hand because a “casual” fan is lost on what to do with the game.

                              Using this as an excuse why they can’t sell franchise and authenticity is stupid imo.
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