CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

[extremeskins04]

There are so many legacy issues that have been in Madden for what seems like centuries. One of them is this god awful screen pass play.

EA it does not work. It never has. Why is it still broken in the game? I don't even have to do anything. I can run CPU v CPU and let the AI play and watch how every time they run a screen, the QB doesn't get rid of the ball and takes a sack.

Every. Single. Time.

Can we fix this at some point?

[briz1046]

Re: CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

There are so many legacy issues that have been in Madden for what seems like centuries. One of them is this god awful screen pass play.

EA it does not work. It never has. Why is it still broken in the game? I don't even have to do anything. I can run CPU v CPU and let the AI play and watch how every time they run a screen, the QB doesn't get rid of the ball and takes a sack.

Every. Single. Time.

Can we fix this at some point?

Not seeing this on all pro ( with sliders ) sim style , seeing CPU running screens fairly successfully in CPU/CPU play now games

By which I mean CPU QB AI is no worse than for regular pass plays

[extremeskins04]

Re: CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

Not seeing this on all pro ( with sliders ) sim style , seeing CPU running screens fairly successfully in CPU/CPU play now games

By which I mean CPU QB AI is no worse than for regular pass plays

Play Now does not play the same as CFM games. It never has.

[bkrich83]

Re: CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

Play Now does not play the same as CFM games. It never has.

I'm not seeing it in CFM games either. AP with a very slightly updated set of sliders.

[Fist Of Kings]

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I love screen plays, but this was my main issue with 19, and it made me sell the game. No matter how hard I tried setting it up with the run, no matter my rb or linemen's ratings, my blockers and rb acted clueless. From what I saw in 19, rbs would typically run into the back of their blockers like idiots, so because of this you couldn't throw the ball to him, resulting either in an immediate sack or fumble.

[briz1046]

Re: CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

Play Now does not play the same as CFM games. It never has.

I see this sentiment expressed frequently, is there any actual evidence for this ?
By which I mean data or something which can be tested ? Beyond things such as " it just feels different to me " or " person X says so "

[Therebelyell626]

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The funny thing for me is the CPU is way more successful on screens when I play man defense straight up as opposed to when I blitz. Which literally is the opposite of what it should do.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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EDIT Is OP talking about CPU vs CPU? I see he mentioned it...









I'm not seeing it on All Madden. I do occasionally get burned by a screen, but I'm pretty good about seeing them develop, and my d-line is pretty dominant. Still, my team's AI is far more likely to blow up the screen or tackle it after a few yards than sack the QB. Usually the CPU gets 3 to 8 yards on them, and occasionally they'll break one down the field. I think I've only sacked them one time on a screen.

[CleveCluby]

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Pure screen passes are definitely broken with the CPU. I think some of you are confusing RPO's with screen passes. If you really want to see how bad pure screen passes are. Set your setting to COACH mode.. Go to practice screen. call a screen pass, pick random defense. your QB will be sacked 9 out of ten times. WR screens and bubble work a little better but HB screens are a disaster.

If you try the screen pass with QB directly under the center. he will be sacked every time. Human control may have a different affect.

I play CPU vs CPU or PTM.. I have eliminated them from my game plan. I have cut my sacks in half.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: CPU running screen plays lead to sacks 9 times out of 10

Pure screen passes are definitely broken with the CPU. I think some of you are confusing RPO's with screen passes. If you really want to see how bad pure screen passes are. Set your setting to COACH mode.. Go to practice screen. call a screen pass, pick random defense. your QB will be sacked 9 out of ten times. WR screens and bubble work a little better but HB screens are a disaster.

If you try the screen pass with QB directly under the center. he will be sacked every time. Human control may have a different affect.

I play CPU vs CPU or PTM.. I have eliminated them from my game plan. I have cut my sacks in half.

I wasn't aware that an RPO involved passes to the running back behind three or four offensive linemen. Because that's what I'm talking about in my post.


I do wonder what difficulty you guys are on, because on All Madden, HB screens will work against me from time to time, and rarely do I ever get a sack on them.




As for ME running HB screens, I never get sacked, because I immediately backpedal and float the ball to the running back. At worst it's incomplete because the RB runs into a linemen before I throw the ball (which is always to a spot... I never wait for the RB to stop running. I lead him). I've not only had success with them on All Madden, I've scored three long touchdowns on them.






As for under center screens, I've only attempted one and at this point it is as you say: I was sacked.

[JKSportsGamer1984]

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Screens definitely need to be improved. Backs tend to get caught up by a lineman or defender before they make their break to the flats which is causing more sacks. The QB doesn't have time to get the screen pass off or let the play develop a lot of times because of this.

I don't want screens to be too effective or OP, but this is an area that needs to be look into.

[TheGr8Drake28]

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Not seeing this on all pro ( with sliders ) sim style , seeing CPU running screens fairly successfully in CPU/CPU play now games

By which I mean CPU QB AI is no worse than for regular pass plays

Same here.. Screen's are perfect.

[CleveCluby]

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Many of the RPO passes look like screens. Many of them get no yardage when used by the CPU. QB quickly throws to WR, who turns for some reason and takes a step backwards, before he can turn again he is tackled.

QUOTE ( As for ME running HB screens, I never get sacked, because I immediately backpedal and float the ball to the running back. At worst it's incomplete because the RB runs into a linemen before I throw the ball (which is always to a spot... I never wait for the RB to stop running. I lead him). I've not only had success with them on All Madden, I've scored three long touchdowns on them. )

AGAIN. I am not talking about the HUMAN CONTROL FACTOR.. Thumb Jockeys can do things that the CPU can't or won't do. THE CPU does not throw the ball quickly as you do. Maybe the extremely high rated QB will, haven't tested that out yet. but the majority of CPU QB's will take a sack and again, I am not talking about RPO's. I am talking pure HB screens. Now and then one from a shotgun will work but I have never seen one from under center work. it's is a sack every single time.

In my test. I have ran the screen with QB under center using COAch mode in practice mode. I ran the play 25 times using random defense. He took a sack every single time. This tells me that the play is broken for the CPU. The HB screen didn't fair much better. HUMAN factor may have a different result but the CPU is definitely under a disadvantage when it calls that play.

[briz1046]

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Pure screen passes are definitely broken with the CPU. I think some of you are confusing RPO's with screen passes.

You're totally right , I was getting confused , is a pass when the QB throws the ball forward ? I've hardly ever seen a football game so I get confused easily , thanks for your help

[CleveCluby]

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You're totally right , I was getting confused , is a pass when the QB throws the ball forward ? I've hardly ever seen a football game so I get confused easily , thanks for your help

Ahhhh, Gee, Sorry Briz.. Just giving my opinion. Didn't mean to insult you. Here I thought this board was for suggestions, communication, and opinions. I failed to realize that when I said SOME OF YOU, that I was in a one on one conversation dealing strictly with you. I didn't know that SOME OF YOU was you representing the entire OPS Football community.

But since that is the case, Please accept my sincere apology. Didn't mean to single you out or hurt your feelings. And Somehow I thought I was responding to Extremeskins04.. I do get confused easily. It's my old age kicking in. Again. my apologies.