4-3 rushing

[sbattisti]

Anyone else having an impossible time rushing the passer in a 4-3 defense? Granted, my players aren’t very good (best is 81), but I can’t get a whiff of pressure. Like, lucky if I get 1 sack per game, and that’s not even a user sack.

Suggestions? Do I just need to git gud?

This is vs CPU btw.


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[Guardian]

Re: 4-3 rushing

If I expect/hope to get ANY pressure at all, I have to blitz. If not, I'm getting nowhere. The D-Line pass-rush seems to be nerfed (at least for me).

[sbattisti]

Re: 4-3 rushing

If I expect/hope to get ANY pressure at all, I have to blitz. If not, I'm getting nowhere. The D-Line pass-rush seems to be nerfed (at least for me).

Yeah ditto. I wouldn’t mind so much but it seems like ratings are irrelevant. Up against a rookie LT with a 64 rating? Stonewalled all game long.


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[stinkubus]

Re: 4-3 rushing

The easiest way to generate pressure with a four man line is to call an over front. If you are using a 4-3 book you can use 4-3 Over, Nickel Normal, or Big Nickel Over G.

Your strong side DT is going to be playing a 3-tech. This means he's in between the G and T. Shift the line to his side of the screen, and also crash them in that direction. This should cause your edge rusher to that side to kick out to a wide 9 alignment and set up some nice 1 v 1 situations for him.

[sbattisti]

Re: 4-3 rushing

The easiest way to generate pressure with a four man line is to call an over front. If you are using a 4-3 book you can use 4-3 Over, Nickel Normal, or Big Nickel Over G.

Your strong side DT is going to be playing a 3-tech. This means he's in between the G and T. Shift the line to his side of the screen, and also crash them in that direction. This should cause your edge rusher to that side to kick out to a wide 9 alignment and set up some nice 1 v 1 situations for him.

Thanks for the suggestion. Will give this a try, although my experience so far has been that even when I win a battle on the edge, the QB gets rid it before I can get there.


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[Detroit Tigers]

Re: 4-3 rushing

... even when I win a battle on the edge, the QB gets rid it before I can get there.

Or you just get picked up by another blocker and have to win another QTE. Ratings be damned, size & strength of blocker be damned, it’s win that STUPID QTE or get stonewalled. Who’s brilliant idea was this and why is there virtually zero push to get it removed? What was wrong with how it was for the first 20 years of Madden where they thought, “hey, wouldn’t it be great if we stopped giving DL users full control of their player and introduced a QTE instead?” “YEAH MAN! That’s a SICK idea!”

[Charizard]

Re: 4-3 rushing

I had the same problem but changed to a 3-4 storm and wow what a change right off the bat

Control the OLB sort out your depth chart and put your quickest LB on the edge both sides and run right at the QB

I had Oloukon rack up 15 sacks in a season and he went to a Superstar dev in a season. Jermaine Grace also went up to a star dev.

You can get instant pressure on the QB sometimes you have to run around the tackle but on man blitz one side is left unguarded for you to make a b line rush at the QB

[sbattisti]

Re: 4-3 rushing

I had the same problem but changed to a 3-4 storm and wow what a change right off the bat



Control the OLB sort out your depth chart and put your quickest LB on the edge both sides and run right at the QB



I had Oloukon rack up 15 sacks in a season and he went to a Superstar dev in a season. Jermaine Grace also went up to a star dev.



You can get instant pressure on the QB sometimes you have to run around the tackle but on man blitz one side is left unguarded for you to make a b line rush at the QB

Yeah, I have heard that it is much easier to get pressure with a 3-4


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[patsfan1993]

Re: 4-3 rushing

Yeah, I have heard that it is much easier to get pressure with a 3-4


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It definitely is easier. I have never run anything other than a 4 man line in all the years I've played Madden. This year I now run 3-4 Storm. Huge difference

[sbattisti]

Re: 4-3 rushing

It definitely is easier. I have never run anything other than a 4 man line in all the years I've played Madden. This year I now run 3-4 Storm. Huge difference

Alright I might need to give that a try.


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[matthewk]

Re: 4-3 rushing

Or you just get picked up by another blocker and have to win another QTE. Ratings be damned, size & strength of blocker be damned, it’s win that STUPID QTE or get stonewalled. Who’s brilliant idea was this and why is there virtually zero push to get it removed? What was wrong with how it was for the first 20 years of Madden where they thought, “hey, wouldn’t it be great if we stopped giving DL users full control of their player and introduced a QTE instead?” “YEAH MAN! That’s a SICK idea!”

They did it this way because it was easier than fixing the AI.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

Re: 4-3 rushing

I struggle with it as well and I've got a stacked line. 95 LE, 94 DT, 88 DT, 90 RE. Makes no sense. Seems better with the CPU pass blocking slider down some. Still experimenting. 42 is too low. Trying out 48 for a few games now.

[Mackrel829]

Re: 4-3 rushing

I'd definitely play around with the sliders.

I much prefer using 4-3 and haven't had too much trouble getting sacks. I have User and CPU pass blocking each at 40 iirc.

[stinkubus]

Re: 4-3 rushing

On All-Pro default I've got 11 sacks through 6 games using nothing but the line shifting trick I described in my previous post. All sacks have come from guys who line up with their hand on the ground in my Nickel defenses. I don't like to blitz All-Pro AI because they fold like a wet blanket.

TJ Watt(85 OVR, Finesse Specialist) has 5, Stephon Tuitt (85 OVR) 4.5, Cam Heyward 1 (86 OVR), and Javon Hargrave 0.5 (79 OVR). I have good, but not great, players and only one with an ability. That ability requires that I'm able to get him 1-on-1 to activate, so while it's obviously much better than nothing it's far from the best pass rush ability in the game.

[timmg]

Re: 4-3 rushing

Pass rush in general has been toned down since release, it was better a month ago