NFL Owners Agree to Extend EA's Exclusive Rights Through 2025 Season

[young22]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse

Clearly, you've never played the old NFL 2K series which is what people are/were basing their expectations on. The gameplay from that series progressively improved from iteration to iteration. All-Pro Football 2K8, which was a spiritual successor to NFL 2K5, had good gameplay but was doomed because of shallow game modes, some "overpowered" legends and the customization was very restrictive. The team that develops Super Mega Baseball likely wouldn't be the same team making a hypothetical football title. Lastly, the idea that the NBA 2K series' gameplay "has never been good" is completely a subjective opinion. I'll say no more than that to avoid an argument. Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation

Well I've played NFL 2K5 and yes it's very deep franchise wise, and does have some good stuff gameplay wise that hasn't been replicated, namely pass trajectories, but I'd assume the team that made that game is gone 15 years later. Shouldn't be so quick to assume I haven't played it just cause I don't hold it up the way most people seem to.

NBA 2K has always had major clipping and sliding problems with the animations, been that way for years. I haven't played much since 2k16. I've probably played 10 or so hours a year since then, and that's enough for me to know the game actually gets worse every year, gameplay-wise. Fun to play against a friend? Sure, but any game is.

Even if we ignore the legacy issues, look at what they do with MyCareer, it's either grind stupid hours or buy VC.

Now if they gave us all the sliders NBA 2K has, and the myleague, that would obviously be great from an off the field standpoint. But I've never really enjoyed any 2K gameplay wise past 2K14. I have no reason to believe they'd be building on 2K5, especially since that game is 15 years old and made for consoles that are even older than that.

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[young22]

Quote: Originally Posted by stinkubus

UT modes are pure evil unless your game's franchise mode has enough levers to pull then corporate greed suddenly ceases to be an issue! I've asked this before and never gotten a response. Maybe you'll have something. If MUT is targeted at kids why are almost all of the high value players guys who suited up before either they, or in some cases their parents, were born?

I'm not even against corporate greed. I just hate that the UT modes have taken away from franchise/career modes. As far as MUT being aimed at kids, I don't know why that's the consensus when plenty of gamers of all ages play it. The vast majority of Madden players couldn't care less about a realistic franchise mode so long as they can throw deep to Tyreek Hill and throwback DeSean Jackson online (based on what I know of UT I'm assuming that's a real card)

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[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by young22

Well I've played NFL 2K5 and yes it's very deep franchise wise, and does have some good stuff gameplay wise that hasn't been replicated, namely pass trajectories, but I'd assume the team that made that game is gone 15 years later. Shouldn't be so quick to assume I haven't played it just cause I don't hold it up the way most people seem to. NBA 2K has always had major clipping and sliding problems with the animations, been that way for years. I haven't played much since 2k16. I've probably played 10 or so hours a year since then, and that's enough for me to know the game actually gets worse every year, gameplay-wise. Fun to play against a friend? Sure, but any game is. Even if we ignore the legacy issues, look at what they do with MyCareer, it's either grind stupid hours or buy VC. Now if they gave us all the sliders NBA 2K has, and the myleague, that would obviously be great from an off the field standpoint. But I've never really enjoyed any 2K gameplay wise past 2K14. I have no reason to believe they'd be building on 2K5, especially since that game is 15 years old and made for consoles that are even older than that. Sent from my SM-A102W using Operation Sports mobile app

I apologize for assuming you hadn't played NFL 2K5 or APF 2K8. Those titles are more than a decade, or decade and a half, old and APF didn't sell well. Neither game was even close to perfect, yet had they had chance to continue to iterate annually the game(s) could've been tremendous.
Again, I also have issues with the gameplay in the NBA series. I don't believe a thread in the football section is where to discuss them.

Also, your issues and mine are just opinions and some (apparently in the 10,000,000 range including myself) don't mind them as much.

I'm sure some of that old code can still be salvaged and used especially for the pass & run blocking A.I.

There are still people at the development teams at Visuals Concepts who worked on those football titles. Of course, they would need to rebuild the bulk of the team. I still think with the right creative director(s) they could make an enjoyable pro football title.

I'm not a coder or programmer so I can't pretend to know how difficult or easy that task would be. Especially, if Visual Concpets has the source code intact.

Anyway, the best we can hope for is a good "non-sim" alternative next year. And that EA at some point decides to invest in a better gameplay experience and "engine."

It just seems highly unlikely with the emphasis being MUT, other non-sim modes (to pull in casual fans) & microtransactions.



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[Dblock1111]

Quote: Originally Posted by young22

Well I've played NFL 2K5 and yes it's very deep franchise wise, and does have some good stuff gameplay wise that hasn't been replicated, namely pass trajectories, but I'd assume the team that made that game is gone 15 years later.....

Just for information / arguments sake - There are roughly 27 people credited on both NFL 2k5 and NBA 2k20 from what I can find. Obviously this doesnt take into account people moved to different teams in the company but just food for thought.

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dblock1111

Just for information / arguments sake - There are roughly 27 people credited on both NFL 2k5 and NBA 2k20 from what I can find. Obviously this doesnt take into account people moved to different teams in the company but just food for thought.

For some reason I can't see the image posted. Is there still any higher up people (lead engineer, director, producer, etc.) still with 2K (from game credits)?



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[Dblock1111]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse

For some reason I can't see the image posted. Is there still any higher up people (lead engineer, director, producer, etc.) still with 2K (from game credits)? Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation

Sorry about the image, i probably screwed something up there, heres the full list:

Credit, Role in NBA 2k20 / Role on NFL 2k5

Anthony Yau	UI Visual Design / Artist
Anton Dawson	Engineer / Artist
Asif Chaudhri	Senior Producer / Project Manager
Boris Kazanskii	Library Engineer / Technology Group
Chien Yu        Producer / Director Of Quality Assurance
Dan Indra       Production & Design / Quality Assurance
David Washburn	Performance Capture Stage Manager / Motion Capture
Dion Peete	Production & Design / Quality Assurance
Erick Boenisch	Senior Producers / Lead Tester
Evan Harsha	Engineer / Engineer
Gordon Read	AI Engineer / Engineer
Ivar Olsen	Lead Library Engineer / Technology Group
Jason Souza	Production & Design / Quality Assurance
Jeremy Ford	Quality Assurance Senior Test Manager / Quality Assurance
Jerson Sapida	Production & Design / Network Assistant Lead Tester
Joel Flory      Animation Technical Lead / Artist
John Crysdale	Audio Assistant / Quality Assurance Supervisor
Jose Gutierrez	Production Specialist II / QA Tech
Mark Roberts	Engineer / Engineer
Matt Underwood	Production & Design / Production
Quinn Kaneko	User Interface / Artist
Robert Nelson	Production & Design / Senior Lead Tester
Roy Tse	        Lead Gameplay Animator / Artist
Shawn Lee	AI Engineer / Lead AI Engineer
Tim Meekins	Engineer / Engineer
Tim Walter      Director of Technology / Technology Group
Tor Unsworth	Script Writers / Audio

[Darth Aegis]

Dblock fwiw I was able to see your first attachment.

[Hshaw810]

Quote: Originally Posted by young22

Sucks that EA will still be exclusive, but 2K football isn't the answer like people say every time this topic comes up. I used to play NBA 2K regularly, while it's true that the franchise mode is incredibly deep and customizable, the gameplay has never really been good, and for the past few years has lost the fun factor it used to have. I'd much, MUCH rather see the people who make Super Mega Baseball make a football game. Sent from my SM-A102W using Operation Sports mobile app

Nba2k gameplay has never been good? Lol. There will never be a perfect sports game but if i compare what ea is doing with madden to what 2k is doing there is no competition. Its 2020 and we cant even perform a strip sack, cant throw a fade route, the ai does not even care if their down 10 with 2 minutes to go,etc. those seem like simple things to add lol