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  • Mike Lowe
    All Star
    • Dec 2006
    • 5291

    #1

    CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

    My CBS in 2022 are:
    Okudah 85 ovr
    Coleman 84 ovr
    Griffin 71 (2nd round rookie hidden dev)

    In a game against the Packers w 96 ovr Davante Adams, and my in-game CB matchup strategy set to "depth chart", it has Griffin covering Adams.

    While Griffin is my top SLCB, he is being matched up on Adams when lined up out wide.

    The only way I could get Okudah on Adams was to use the "overall" strategy, but then I had to put Okudah as CB2?!

    Thanks for the help!
  • Rondo is GOD
    MVP
    • Oct 2011
    • 2524

    #2
    Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

    In M20 the slot cb is considered the #1 when using depth chart for match ups. Sounds like its the same in 21. If you treat it as #1 and the #1 cb as the #2 you'll get the results you want. However it can be messy if you are all the sudden out of nickel and in your base defense.

    I always like overall as my adjustment but height is good too imo. Can get your tallest cb on tight ends pretty easily with it. I only use overall when dealing with an elite WR. (I have gilmore so its an easy choice)

    Speed is nice too but you have to scout the opponents height/speed before hand to get the depth chart right

    Depth Chart for db/wr matchups is broken. They coded it wrong imo.
    Originally posted by Balldude777
    In this case the lasagna restaurant started selling candy to kids and that became the best revenue stream so they’ve let the lasagna get worse and focused on becoming a candy store. The problem is this restaurant bought the rights to make lasagna so if we want lasagna we can only go to this place.

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    • cooper417
      Rookie
      • Feb 2014
      • 174

      #3
      Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

      Originally posted by Rondo is GOD
      Depth Chart for db/wr matchups is broken. They coded it wrong imo.
      This is true. If you made any DB matchup coaching adjustment at launch, you could end up with a MLB out wide on a #1 WR and your #1 CB on a HB or TE.

      I have been using the adjustment to match up "by depth chart." It still doesn't work properly, but looks like they did fix the glitch that would swap a CB and LB in nickel, dime, or other passing formations.

      I'm not sure they plan on fixing these DB coach adjustment matchups any further, so you'll just sort of have to roll with them not working properly.

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      • oneamongthefence
        Nothing to see here folks
        • Apr 2009
        • 5683

        #4
        Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

        I wish I could specifically get corners to stay on a receiver the whole game. Using coaching adjustments doesn't always give me what I want. It's pretty inflexible.b

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        • Rondo is GOD
          MVP
          • Oct 2011
          • 2524

          #5
          Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

          Originally posted by oneamongthefence
          I wish I could specifically get corners to stay on a receiver the whole game. Using coaching adjustments doesn't always give me what I want. It's pretty inflexible.b

          Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk
          If you match personnel (1CB for 1 WR) its pretty easy to get consistent matchups, at least it was in 20.

          You'll need to identify which pattern will be most effective for you. (Height, speed, overall, depth chart etc)

          It really only starts to get messy when you don't have exact matching personnel. But when you know what you're doing you'll be able to put gilmore on kelce/kittle all game long if you want to.

          When I'm against KC I want gilly on kelce all game long. So I set the adjustment to height and make sure I have an extra corner back on the field at all times compared to their WRs. (They go 2 WR I go 3 CB, they go 3 WR I go 4 CBs)

          Gilmore will be on kelce every time. Sammy Watkins gets a dose of JC Jackson/Jason Mccourty and Tyreke get Jon Jones all game.

          It falls apart in the base defense but in nickel or more its very effective.

          Overall would be useful too, but I wouldn't consider that against KC if tyreke was higher overall than kelce because I don't want gilmore on tyreke.

          Once you understand the flaws of the coding you can actually start to make them work in your favor.
          Last edited by Rondo is GOD; 10-27-2020, 08:44 PM.
          Originally posted by Balldude777
          In this case the lasagna restaurant started selling candy to kids and that became the best revenue stream so they’ve let the lasagna get worse and focused on becoming a candy store. The problem is this restaurant bought the rights to make lasagna so if we want lasagna we can only go to this place.

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          • Rondo is GOD
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 2524

            #6
            Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

            Knowing your matchups/depth chart and having a plan for adjustments can literally suffocate even some of the best offensive players.
            Originally posted by Balldude777
            In this case the lasagna restaurant started selling candy to kids and that became the best revenue stream so they’ve let the lasagna get worse and focused on becoming a candy store. The problem is this restaurant bought the rights to make lasagna so if we want lasagna we can only go to this place.

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            • cooper417
              Rookie
              • Feb 2014
              • 174

              #7
              Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

              Originally posted by Rondo is GOD
              If you match personnel (1CB for 1 WR) its pretty easy to get consistent matchups, at least it was in 20.

              You'll need to identify which pattern will be most effective for you. (Height, speed, overall, depth chart etc).
              This is now a broken feature for M21. It did work exactly like it should in M20. This was very broken at launch of M21 like I stated above. Your LB and CB would be swapped if you made any adjustment from default. Since they fixed that LB/CB glitch a couple patches ago, you can change your coach adjustments. The problem is the coding is still messed up. I have found no way to get the matchups I want all game.
              I have been using the adjustment "by depth chart" and sometimes my #1 CB (who is the highest overall, fastest and #1 on my depth chart) will sometimes be matched up on the #4 WR. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for the coach adjustment match ups that you get in various formations.
              Until they actually fix how these are coded in the game, you can never get a certain CB on a WR for all the various formation sets you will face in a game.

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              • IlluminatusUIUC
                MVP
                • Jan 2010
                • 2677

                #8
                Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

                Bumping this post because I haven't been able to figure this out. A number of players online have started using 3 x 1 sets with the tight end split out alone. However, the defense always puts a linebacker on the innermost slot receiver, and it that's someone like Tyreek then it's a massive problem. The coach adjustments used to correct for that, but I have not figured out how to do so post patch, the lb will just always cover the guy closest to the OL regardless of who it is.
                Bills, Sabres, Illini, Cubs, basically any team that abuses its fanbase and I'm there.

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                • Rondo is GOD
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 2524

                  #9
                  Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

                  Originally posted by IlluminatusUIUC
                  Bumping this post because I haven't been able to figure this out. A number of players online have started using 3 x 1 sets with the tight end split out alone. However, the defense always puts a linebacker on the innermost slot receiver, and it that's someone like Tyreek then it's a massive problem. The coach adjustments used to correct for that, but I have not figured out how to do so post patch, the lb will just always cover the guy closest to the OL regardless of who it is.
                  I prefer to look at specifics rather than generalities with the matchups. Whats your squad and what is theirs?

                  If someone has their TE out wide a lot I look to the "height" match up more often. But thats only because I have gilmore who is the tallest CB out of the Pats top 4 CBS and if I add an extra DB compared to their WRs, gilly will follow mr TE everywhere as long as I keep that +1 CB personnel.

                  Its extremely variable based. I have yet to figure out a baseline rule on how to use the adjustments.

                  You have to consider their wrs as well. I wouldn't play SF and KC with the same adjustment even tho I want to cover kelce and kittle in a similar way. I use speed against KC to blanket Tyreke with Jon Jones. Or I stick to +1 CB personnel kittle and kelce will not get LBs on routes.

                  But again when you get to your base defense its impossible to get a CB on a tight end unless they offset to one side and you make the coverage adjust to make it appear like zone.

                  Variables variables variables.
                  Last edited by Rondo is GOD; 11-07-2020, 02:43 PM.
                  Originally posted by Balldude777
                  In this case the lasagna restaurant started selling candy to kids and that became the best revenue stream so they’ve let the lasagna get worse and focused on becoming a candy store. The problem is this restaurant bought the rights to make lasagna so if we want lasagna we can only go to this place.

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                  • Mike Lowe
                    All Star
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 5291

                    #10
                    Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

                    Relatable question here, but why does the AI always have their CB2 matched up on my WR1? Am I wrong in that?

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                    • Hooe
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 21555

                      #11
                      Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

                      Originally posted by Mike Lowe
                      Relatable question here, but why does the AI always have their CB2 matched up on my WR1? Am I wrong in that?
                      Should be the case that if the CPU has an OVR 90+ CB and you have an OVR 90+ WR, they use the By OVR WR-DB matchup coaching adjustment.

                      Without matchup coaching adjustments, the default depth chart ordering places CB1 on the defense's left-hand side in most (if not all) defensive formations - the offense's right-hand side. On the flip side, WR1 typically lines up on the offense's left-hand side - the defense's right-hand side. I believe designers at the Tiburon studio have cited some NFL precedent for this particular design in the past.

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                      • Hooe
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 21555

                        #12
                        Re: CB Depth Chart: Help Me Understand

                        Originally posted by Mike Lowe
                        I am indeed seeing them lineup their CB1 on the defense's left side, but that's where my WR2 lines up based on my depth chart with him as WR2. That seems to be the issue--why is he lining up on the right as WR2?
                        Maybe I was too verbose - this is the game working as intended.

                        A lot of teams in the NFL don't travel their CBs to match up against the opposing team's best wide receiver. Most teams don't have a Darrelle Revis or Stephon Gilmore on their roster to just erase another player in that manner.

                        The most obvious contemporary example of this is Richard Sherman, who has lined up at Left Cornerback basically his entire career - both in Seattle and San Francisco. He follows the offense's top receiver only on very rare occasions.

                        Another factor - many NFL offenses are "right-handed", so it makes sense that, if the CBs aren't going to travel, the best one goes on the offense's right side.

                        Madden replicates this behavior by making CB1 always play RCB and CB2 always play LCB, with the option to play best-on-best available in coaching adjustments.

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