BritPitbull's Sliders - XBOX 360

[BritPitbull]

Ello,

I've not played Madden for around 5 or 6 years due to the game being a perennial disappointment and certain broken aspects of the game never being fixed. However, I had heard that Madden 25 was a bit better - the CPU will actually run the ball and not cheat so much etc. So I recently decided to try it out and this has led me once again to the forlorn practice of creating realistic sliders (and at least the sliders are far more comprehensive these days).

I've been playing Charter04s sliders for a while but there were a few things I didn't like, the main issue being that due to the slow speed of the players (or less differential between them), runs to the outside, end-arounds, QB scrambles, screens, kick returns, etc were just not factors/realistic and QBs can't go deep due to their low accuracy (in my experience).

So today I developed a slider set predicated on the theme of making individual players play according to their talent and opening up every aspect of the game. Now, this is a work in progress and, although they probably need much tweaking, I think I'm on to something here.

The concept is based on making fast players really fast and making defences react far slower. Conversely, as you will, see pass coverage and tackling are extremely high.

The result is that RBs can go inside or out and gaps will open up for them, they can also break long runs without being chased down by slower players (as they can in real life). It depends on the talent of the back and Oline. I've had Lynch run for over 170 yards on me whereas other backs have struggled to make 3 yards per carry.

However, lineman and linebackers will shed their blocks far more effectively due to the high tackling slider and low blocking slider. The D Line will get a lot of pressure on the QB and holes in the line of scrimmage will shut as soon as the running back enters them. In addition, due to the high pass coverage, you should see a lot more pressure sacks.

Whereas receivers will be able to get space via the initial slower reaction of the D, they will then be stuck to like glue. Essentially, the better a player's attributes are, the better he will play. A good and fast receiver will find more space against a less talented CB but a highly rated CB really will be shut-down now. I've played games today against both the Buccs and Seahawks and Revis and Sherman made passing to the WRs they were marking an extremely dangerous proposition.

Please note: you will see penalties, injuries and fumbles (as you would in the NFL of course).

If anyone would test the sliders I've posted below then I'd be most grateful. Let me know how they feel to you. I'm not a great Madden player and much tweaking will no doubt be necessary but if the general feel is there then I'll have something to work with and improve upon. Thanks for looking

[BritPitbull]

This is my current set, which is almost finalised - you must make sure all settings are used, including the penalties.

Game settings
Skill Level: All-Madden
Quarter length: 13 minutes
Accelerated clock: On
Minimum play clock: 20 seconds
Auto strafe: Off
Heat seeker: On
Ball hawk: Off
Switch assist: On
Injuries: 45
Fatigue: 45
Game speed: Slow
Minimum speed threshold: 20

Penalties
Offside: 50
False start: 85
Holding: 80
Facemask: 50
Def PI: 10
Off PI: 25
KRI/PRI: 85
Clipping: 65
Intentional grounding: 60
Roughing passer: 40
Roughing kicker: 10

Player skill
QB: 20
Pass blocking: 10
WR catching: 37
Run blocking: 0
Fumbles: 40
Reaction time: 20
Interceptions: 20
Pass coverage:100
Tackling: 80

CPU skill
QB: 35
Pass blocking: 12
WR catching: 45
Run blocking: 30
Fumbles: 40
Reaction time: 20
Interceptions: 20
Pass coverage: 100
Tackling: 70

All kicking is at 50 for both teams aside from FG accuracy which is at 40 and CPU kick power at 45.

[BritPitbull]

In the average NFL game there are:
25 possessions
133.6 regular plays (80.5 passes, 53.1 runs)
30.9 plays are kickoffs (10.5), punts (10.3), field goals (4.1), kneels
9 plays of 20+ yards
11.1 (21%) runs will be for no gain or loss
22.8 passes (28% will be for 10+ yards)

5.4 sacks
2 interceptions
3.1 passing TDs
1.6 rushing TDs

8.9 penalties
Average score of 29 - 18

[Teleo]

I'm intrigued to try these out in coach mode given the fact that they are mostly equal based and that you have given the cpu an advantage in the areas that they are weak in such as the running game. In settings past, it didn't matter if I played on equal base settings, I would always have an advantage running the ball even if I was playing with a much less talented running back. I will let you know how my dolphins/saints game goes tonight.

[BritPitbull]

Quote: Originally Posted by Teleo

I'm intrigued to try these out in coach mode given the fact that they are mostly equal based and that you have given the cpu an advantage in the areas that they are weak in such as the running game. In settings past, it didn't matter if I played on equal base settings, I would always have an advantage running the ball even if I was playing with a much less talented running back. I will let you know how my dolphins/saints game goes tonight.

Thanks. From what I can tell, fatigue is having a big effect this year. I seem to do far better in the first half than the second. I may need to lower this. If I do, then the CPU running may need a small boost in return but I will need to be careful as raising run blocking will have an effect in the pass game too.

[BritPitbull]

Oakland Raiders at Washington Redskins
Feb 3, 2014	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Oakland Raiders	17	10	3	0	30
Washington Redskins	0	3	19	6	28

Team Stats Comparison
	OAK	WAS
Total Offense	375	455
Rushing Yards	173	174
Passing Yards	202	281
First Downs	19	18
Punt Return Yards	86	37
Kick Return Yards	117	26
Total Yards	578	518
Turnovers	3	2
3rd Down Converstion	7-17	3-10
4th Down Conversion	1-1	0-0
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-3
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	4-4	4-4
Penalties	4-25	1-10
Posession Time	30:52	21:08

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		OAK	WAS
11:12	(OAK) McFadden 1yd run	7	0
09:00	(OAK) Janikowski 47 yd FG	10	0
06:02	(OAK) McFadden 19 yd catch	17	0
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		OAK	WAS
11:31	(WAS) Forbath 26 yd FG	17	3
08:01	(OAK) Janikowski 32 yd FG	20	3
0:11	(OAK) Jennings 2 yd run	27	3
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		OAK	WAS
12:40	(WAS) Morris 45 yd run	27	9
10:12	(WAS) Hankerson 12 yd catch	27	16
07:51	(WAS) Moss 6 yd catch	27	22
03:38	(OAK) Janikowski 44yd FG	30	22
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		OAK	WAS
08:47	(WAS) Morris 3 yd run	30	28

Oakland Raiders PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Pryor 14/28 198 1 1 McGloin 1/3 3 0 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD McFadden 28 118 4.2 1 Jennings 12 45 3.7 1 Streater 1 13 13.0 0 Pryor 3 -3 -1 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Streater 3 53 17.6 0 McFadden 3 49 16.3 1 Rivera 3 34 11.3 0 Moore 3 31 10.3 0 Reece 2 27 13.5 0 Ausberry 1 15 15 0 BLOCKING PANCAKE SACK Veldheer 5 0 Reece 2 0 Brisiel 1 0 Bergstrom 1 0 Wisniewski 0 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Branch 8 0 0 0 Roach 7 0 0 0 Burnett 6 0 0 0 Reece 4 0 0 0 Woodson 4 0 0 0 Porter 4 0 1 0 Moore 3 0 0 0 Young 2 0 0 0 Houston 2 0 0 0 Maiava 2 0 1 0 Veldheer 1 0 0 0 Robinson 1 0 0 0 Muir 1 1 0 0 Sims 1 0 0 0 Burnett 1 0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Janikowski 3/3 3/3 12 46 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 King 4 170 42.5 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Ford 5 117 23.4 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Ford 4 86 21.5 0

Washington Redskins PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Griffin III 21/34 286 2 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Morris 16 103 6.4 2 Griffin III 6 64 10.6 0 Helu Jr. 1 7 7 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Moss 8 133 16.6 1 Morgan 3 48 16.0 0 Morris 3 33 11.0 0 Young 3 23 7.6 0 Hankerson 2 21 10.5 1 Garcon 1 17 17.0 0 Reed 1 11 11.0 0 BLOCKING PANCAKE SACK Garcon 3 0 Young 1 0 Montgomery 1 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Barnett 12 1 0 0 Kerrigan 9 0 0 0 Carriker 5 0 0 0 Fletcher 5 0 1 0 Hall 4 0 0 0 Amerson 4 0 0 0 Doughty 4 0 0 0 Meriweather 4 0 0 0 Bowen 3 0 0 0 Cofield 3 0 0 0 Orakpo 3 0 0 0 Wilson 2 0 1 0 Biggers 2 0 0 0 Garcon 1 0 0 0 Crawford 1 0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Forbath 1/1 1/1 4 26 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Rocca 6 243 40.5 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Wilson 1 26 26 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Wilson 3 37 12.3 0

Summary
This was an interesting game. I took control with a big 1st quarter lead courtesy of an interception by my OLB and by two good punt returns.

What I noticed was, as time went on and my side became fatigued, the CPU improved on both sides of the ball. The first play of the 2nd half was a McFadden fumble and a Washington recovery followed by a 45 yd run by Morris which was actually a pitch to him just as I was about to sack Griffin. I missed a tackle on this by running past Morris and there were maybe three plays in the game where I made a similar mistake, which perhaps favourably skewed the CPU's stats. But I suppose that's like the NFL, you miss a tackle and it results in a big play. Moss was by far the most dangerous receiver on the pitch, as you'd expect in real life and it may show that my guiding principle of making good players stand out is working as desired.

After the fumble, I threw an interception that I thought was a bit cheaty as I threw into acres of space. I see now that my QB must have been injured for a couple of plays as my backup QB threw it, so that's ok. In the fourth I went on a monster drive which took a lot of time off the clock but had to punt in the end. The CPU went marching up the field in the final 2 minutes needing just a FG to win, Griffin scrambled twice for big gains and they got into the 25. I was thinking, "Madden comeback cheating in full effect" but then Griffin threw a pick and I was able to kneel out the game.

Observations:
Tight coverage meant neither side could just hurl the ball down the field.
CPU pass and run got better as time went on
CPU had a 98yd KR pulled back for holding
Both sides could effectively use screens, QB scrambles, end-arounds

[Teleo]

Game looks great...how were the injuries?

[BritPitbull]

Denver Broncos at San Francisco 49ers
Feb 4, 2014	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Denver Broncos	17	14	10	10	51
San Francisco 49ers	0	7	0	14	21

Team Stats Comparison
	DEN	SFO
Total Offense	537	352
Rushing Yards	83	78
Passing Yards	454	274
First Downs	19	14
Punt Return Yards	51	34
Kick Return Yards	124	292
Total Yards	712	678
Turnovers	1	2
3rd Down Converstion	3-9	7-15
4th Down Conversion	0-0	0-2
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	6-1	3-0
Penalties	7-50	2-20
Posession Time	26:48	25:12

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		DEN	SFO
10:17	(DEN) Prater 42 yd FG	3	0
05:34	(DEN) Decker 10 yd catch	10	0
1:41	(DEN) Welker 8 yd catch	17	0
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		DEN	SFO
09:08	(DEN) Moreno 4 yd run	24	0
0:49	(DEN) Welker 5 yd pass	31	0
0:00	(SFO) Davis 3 yd pass	31	7
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		DEN	SFO
09:05	(DEN) Moreno 1 yd run	38	7
04:18	(DEN) Prater 49 yd FG	41	7
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		DEN	SFO
12:56	(DEN) Prater 18 yd FG	44	7
10:57	(SFO) Manningham 17 yd catch	44	14
10:06	(DEN) Ball 9 yd run	51	14
05:33	(SFO) Davis 11 yd catch	51	21

Denver Broncos PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Manning 26/33 484 3 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Ball 11 79 7.1 1 Moreno 7 -1 -0.1 2 Hillman 1 6 6.0 0 Green 1 -1 -1.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Decker 7 136 19.4 1 J Thomas 7 147 21.0 0 Welker 5 50 10.0 2 D Thomas 4 87 21.7 0 Moreno 1 35 35.0 0 Tamme 1 20 20.0 0 Ball 1 9 9.0 0 BLOCKING PANCAKE SACK Moreno 0 1 Vasquez 0 1 Beadles 0 1 Ramirez 0 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Moore 7 0 0 0 Bailey 6 0 0 0 Miller 5 3 0 0 Harris Jr 4 0 1 0 Woodyard 4 0 0 0 Phillips 3 0 0 0 Rogers-Cromartie 3 0 1 0 Ayers 3 1 0 0 Trevathan 3 0 0 0 Williams 3 0 0 0 Huff 2 0 0 0 Lenon 2 0 0 0 Knighton 2 0 0 0 Adams 2 0 0 0 Fua 1 1 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Prater 3/3 6/6 15 49 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Colquitt 2 97.0 47.0 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Caldwell 3 124 41.3 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Holliday 3 51 17.0 0

San Francisco 49ers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Kaepernick 22/38 310 3 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Gore 22 78 3.5 0 McCoy 1 1 1 0 Hunter 1 -2 -2 0 Kaepernick 1 1 1 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Davis 7 104 14.8 2 Crabtree 4 69 17.2 0 Boldin 3 62 20.6 0 McDonald 3 33 11.0 0 Manningham 2 29 14.5 1 Baldwin 1 8 8.0 0 Miller 1 4 4.0 0 Gore 1 1 1.0 0 BLOCKING PANCAKE SACK Davis 6 1 Boldin 5 0 Boone 4 0 Iupati 3 1 Goodwin 3 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD A Smith 8 1 0 0 Bowman 7 1 0 0 Brown 5 0 0 0 Brock 4 0 0 0 Reid 4 0 0 0 Whitner 4 0 0 0 Dorsy 3 2 0 0 J Smith 3 0 0 0 Dial 2 0 0 0 Willis 2 0 0 0 Brooks 1 1 0 0 McDonald 1 0 0 0 Lemonier 1 0 0 0 Rogers 1 0 1 0 Jerod-Eddie 1 1 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Dawson 0/0 3/3 3 0 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 Lee 5 232 46.4 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Cox 10 292 29.2 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Cox 2 34 17.0 0

Summary
Well that was a proper beating. I just couldn't stop Manning. With the D's reactions this low and Manning being so accurate, he was simply completing everything. He is the best of the best so his stats are not so ridiculous and they were made worse by the fact that it took me a long time to get my offence going and so I kept giving the Broncos the field and in a good position.

Observations
I don't think I will change the sliders quite yet. If one looks at the Broncos stats for this season they have scored 51 or more points on three occasions and Manning has passed for over 400 yards 4 times and had a rating over 135 on five occasions. So these stats aren't unrealistic at all. Maybe I should just learn to get better at the game. I did realise after a while that with these sliders, controlling a D lineman and using the R stick is very effective at pressuring the QB and maybe if I played the game again I'd fair better. Also, the Broncos play mainly with 3 WRs and my nickel package did not include Patrick Willis, so I played most of the game without my best player.

Kaepernick seemed surprisingly slow to scamble with.

The only changes I'll be making for the next game is to reduce fatigue down to 40.