Is Madden no longer a system (X360) seller?

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by deejay8595

Da helll.....Strauser himself said the pics were from a very early build... Like I said before...Do some people want EA and Madden to Fail???? The hell are you talking about "get off EA's johnson man" I liked every version of Madden so far as long as I've been playing videogames. I have a question for you.... give me 10 reasons why they have been lazy about Next Gen Madden....

10 Reasons EA's being lazy and how!!!!!

1. They are good at showing us what we want them to have ala E3, but they are being lazy by producing Current Gen graphics.

2. Now that they have the NFL rights, they are delivering minimal improvements over current gen to next in the graphics department.

3. They continue to put gimmicks into their games just to sell them.

4. They got people like you brainwashed and know that even a new option will satisfy you. So they do little improvements.

5. Noticed how they show you the nice stadiums and the lighting effects, but still got the same lame player models with more detail. Lazy azzes more effort in the stadium models with mediocre player models.

6. Sidelines still look current Gen.....

7. NBA Live even looks like crap, $hitty crowds, stiff looking player models and a sweat effect on piss poor graphics models. Just like Madden face motion captures on misproportioned player models.

8. Notice how they are still putting Madden as a commentary, when they could get a real broadcast team for Next Gen. Might even have the same dialogue as the current gen.

9. Notice in the video the animations when throwing and running are identical to current gen on a minimal detailed player models. Player faces still look robotic.

10. Because people like you will defend them til the end and say its ok EA I love you, you are doing a great job. They will continue to do little to improve. Instead of you saying man look for the last 3 years you have given us the same b.s. Its time to show us better and give us a more realistic Football game. instead of messing up our gameplay with flashlights and stupid acting parts in movies during franchises.


You see we are not complaining because we want Madden to fail, we want Madden to improve....but if people like you and others would stop and look at the facts, instead of jumping the gun in EA's defense, you see we are all telling the truth. They are not improving and don't have to anymore because of the Official License. In which in this case you only have one option for 5 more years. Until you start demanding a change in the Madden Franchise that will make the game better. You and the rest of the Madden fans will continue to get rehash w/ new gimmicks year after year.....

Quote: Originally Posted by deejay8595

Da helll.....Strauser himself said the pics were from a very early build...

And if I was trying to sell a product I'd tell you want I think you'd want to hear too. But when its released and you buy it, only to find out I lied...

Who cares I'm $60 richer thanks to you....Now who loses.....

[elmore]

Very well put and said Behindshadows2... No one could of said it better then that.. They call us Haters or just plain negative, but all we want is a good football game regardless of who makes it... Is it to much to ask?? Come on you have the Damn NFL License for goodness sake.. Produce something worthy of that... Some kids just don't get it...

[deejay8595]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows2

10 Reasons EA's being lazy and how!!!!! 1. They are good at showing us what we want them to have ala E3, but they are being lazy by producing Current Gen graphics. 2. Now that they have the NFL rights, they are delivering minimal improvements over current gen to next in the graphics department. 3. They continue to put gimmicks into their games just to sell them. 4. They got people like you brainwashed and know that even a new option will satisfy you. So they do little improvements. 5. Noticed how they show you the nice stadiums and the lighting effects, but still got the same lame player models with more detail. Lazy azzes more effort in the stadium models with mediocre player models. 6. Sidelines still look current Gen..... 7. NBA Live even looks like crap, $hitty crowds, stiff looking player models and a sweat effect on piss poor graphics models. Just like Madden face motion captures on misproportioned player models. 8. Notice how they are still putting Madden as a commentary, when they could get a real broadcast team for Next Gen. Might even have the same dialogue as the current gen. 9. Notice in the video the animations when throwing and running are identical to current gen on a minimal detailed player models. Player faces still look robotic. 10. Because people like you will defend them til the end and say its ok EA I love you, you are doing a great job. They will continue to do little to improve. Instead of you saying man look for the last 3 years you have given us the same b.s. Its time to show us better and give us a more realistic Football game. instead of messing up our gameplay with flashlights and stupid acting parts in movies during franchises. You see we are not complaining because we want Madden to fail, we want Madden to improve....but if people like you and others would stop and look at the facts, instead of jumping the gun in EA's defense, you see we are all telling the truth. They are not improving and don't have to anymore because of the Official License. In which in this case you only have one option for 5 more years. Until you start demanding a change in the Madden Franchise that will make the game better. You and the rest of the Madden fans will continue to get rehash w/ new gimmicks year after year..... And if I was trying to sell a product I'd tell you want I think you'd want to hear too. But when its released and you buy it, only to find out I lied... Who cares I'm $60 richer thanks to you....Now who loses.....

1.They showed some E3 footage of shaun alexander....,..How come you weren't mad when NBA 2k6 360 only showed 1 player outside[Lebron James clip]?

2.Hmmmmm.......How about EA getting access to nfl films and recording voices for some nfl superstars so you can hear thier voice in the game? Thats only naming 1 thing they did so far..

3.Gimmicks like??...
-Owner mode?...I don't play offline....
-Create a fan?...I don't play offline....
-QB Vision?.......That is a great improvment to the game

Get real man...gimmicks to you might not seem like gimmicks to everyone else. I think that Create a player is a gimmick but I don't go screaming "EA sucks because create a player is in the game". I know that some people like it so I won't cry. That has ZERO to do with gameplay so I could care less.

4.Me brainwashed?....You really wild...How could I be brainwashed and I love the gameplay for 2006? I only play online so if I was brainwashed my *** definitly wouldn't be playing this game.

5.Player models looked good on that harrison and brooks pic. Hope to see more in 3-4 days. Mannn..Tell me what game doesn't do that? Go head and look at the cover of NFL2k5,NBA2k6,FIFA 2005,MLB 2005, or any sports game and ALL THEY WILL SHOW YOU IS CLOSE UPS!!!!!...........

6.Pics were early man....stop beating a dead horse while acting like those pictures were from the final build when you know GOOD N WELL they weren't.

7.Could care less about Basketball games as they don't have the realism as much as football games. From the pics i've seen of Mcnabb,Brooks, and Harrisson it looks like EA has done a good job so far.

8.How do you know what they are doing?..LAst time I checked EA brought in a radio annoucer to do the commentary. That is what was reported from EGM magazine so im not sure. I don't play with commentary so im cool.

9.Like I said..Old build of the game so stop bringing it up...

10.Now this part is not even true....goto the other message boards [MaddenMania or Madden Nation] or even here and you will see me critize EA on different parts of the game. The thing I won't do is bash a game knowing that they TOLD us that some of the media was from old builds of the game.There is no point to doing that. Looks to me you just want EA to fail but hey do what you wanna do.Im past those lil kid games and hating on companies.

[rudyjuly2]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

I wouldn't say that, but what some people don't realize is that a HUUUGE reason people chose the PS1 over Dreamcast was the fact that EA's games, including MADDEN, were found on Sony's system.

EA is a system killer in that the Dreamcast was doomed without it. I would say the converse is also true: it is a system seller. I really hope it is great but I'm waiting to see how it turns out.

I don't believe in early build nonsense though. They can tweak things but the core graphical engine isn't going to make a huge leap. What's scary is that most of the initial cost of developing for a new system goes into the first year and graphics just get tweaked from that point on. EA is not going to make a new graphical engine for 2007 imo. Its far too costly. What we see this year is what next year's 360 2007 will look like for the most part.

[jmood88]

Quote: Originally Posted by deejay8595

1.They showed some E3 footage of shaun alexander....,..How come you weren't mad when NBA 2k6 360 only showed 1 player outside[Lebron James clip]?

Well vc has shown gameplay and it actually looks like what was shown earlier. Ea hasn't reached the level of what they showed at e3.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmood88

Well vc has shown gameplay and it actually looks like what was shown earlier. Ea hasn't reached the level of what they showed at e3.

Great point. I definatly feel that. VC has delivered as far as making the game look like tha CG trailer. I want Madden to be the GOAT football game so far, I just want a good game. I dont give a F if 989 made the game. I just want a ILL *** NEXT GEN FOOTBALL GAME. Hopefully EA delivers. The removed modes dont bother as I didnt use them anyway. As far as using CAP for roster updates, im cool because the Xbox live support is way better than anything we have now and hopefully they'll update the rosters on the regular. Damn I cant wait for the 360.

[Pratt75]

I think Madden has always been a system seller but now alot of people are very skeptical of their next gen title including myself. I also want this to be the greatest football game ever but if I don't see some positive news and vids in the near future I will be canceling my Madden preorder and buying another game when I pickup by 360. So for me its not a system seller because I'm getting the 360 regardless but I would love a great next gen football title.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

I think I better understand what your original question was getting at then. I agree that having Madden more or less exclusive hurt the Dreamcast in the long run. But after thinking about it... I don't think Madden is the system seller that it once was. It's a hard question to answer because of this exclusivity mess. I think Madden sold a ton of copies being a launch title for the PS2 simply because there really wasn't much else to choose from. You had SSX which was probably the best launch title, then Madden, Tekken Tag Tournament, etc. - mostly nothing notable. The XB360 situation is similiar in that there's no killer app releasing with the system, and given the info we've had so far it's not looking as Madden will be it either. But maybe we'll finally hear some concrete information about the game this week. Right now it's looking like the two best games at launch will be PGR3 and NBA2k6.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say....