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Old 06-05-2007, 12:16 PM   #17
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Re: Force 4th down Punt?

Fair Play needs to be brought back for online. And for the purists who want to onside kick everytime and go for every 4th down, they can play hardcore ranked which has no fair play. But at least give us the option.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:44 PM   #18
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We have talk about this on this borad more than once or twice. I can honestly say if they bring this back I am done with Madden. Just know the person your playing and leave it at that. You are not forced to punt on 4th down it the NFL and you should not be forced to punt in a video game. If that is the case then they should take momentum out the game as well. There are some cases when you may feel the need to go for it and that fair play rule stops you andf that is BS.
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:14 PM   #19
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I can see your point and have actually argued that quite often in the debate on cheese vs str8. It comes down basically to the age old, personal freedom vs societal rules that is a debate in actual, everyday life. Does someone going for it on 4th down constantly hurt the community because it is unrealistic football? Yes it does, so forcing some basic punts isn't a bad idea. Is making him or her punt in certain situations restrict his or her freedom? Yes it does but it's for the greater good.

The key IMO is to not make it too overwhelming in favor of robbing a person of all their freedoms in that situation. If it's even mildly possible a coach would go for it in real life then they should be able to do so in the game.
I love madden as much as anyone on here, but the fact remains that it is just a game. There is no "community" when playing a game of madden. There are two individuals who have the discressoin to do what they want. There is not a greater good, it is a game where two individuals are competing. To campaign for a community or greater good seems noble, but lets not make a game larger than what it is, just that, a game. between two people, not a community.
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I love madden as much as anyone on here, but the fact remains that it is just a game. There is no "community" when playing a game of madden. There are two individuals who have the discressoin to do what they want. There is not a greater good, it is a game where two individuals are competing. To campaign for a community or greater good seems noble, but lets not make a game larger than what it is, just that, a game. between two people, not a community.
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I love madden as much as anyone on here, but the fact remains that it is just a game. There is no "community" when playing a game of madden. There are two individuals who have the discressoin to do what they want. There is not a greater good, it is a game where two individuals are competing. To campaign for a community or greater good seems noble, but lets not make a game larger than what it is, just that, a game. between two people, not a community.
So ppl have the freedom to act like idiots online? Going for it on 4th down everytime is being a idiot IMO.They pay 50.00 a yr just like me to play on live right? Rules for online play? Unheard of? Fair play should be an option.. Just like 15 minute quarters for ranked game play..
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I don't think fair play is needed...I don't need the cpu to tell me what's realistic and to be honest fair play was flawed as there would be certain situations where it would force you to punt that didn't make sense. So while fair play meant well it was a problem.

4th and 2 or more in my or my opponents territory...an almost DEFINITE punt or FG unless its very late in the game

4th and inches to 4th and 1 in my or my opponents territory...If I'm in my opponents territory its 50/50 that I might go depending on the situation and the same may go for my territory depending on the situation. Sometimes a punt to play field position is as important as keeping the ball or getting a 1st down so there may be instances at 4th and inches that I would punt.

NFL coaches (i.e. Bill Belechic and Parcells) will go for it in a heart beat so you can't force someone to coach in a way that makes you happy...You gotta just play and let your D dictate the odds. If you are playing good D then you will dictate alot of times your opponents decision.
This could be remedied if they gave the player the ability to "override" the fair play system maybe twice a game. That way, in the situations you describe, you can still "go for it" but not every single time. You can't say an NFL coach goes for it every single time in those situations.

So while the game would allow you to go for it, you'd have to pick and choose wisely. Of course, this aside from the obvious situations everyone else has put forth. (Down by 28 late in the 3rd Quarter and so on...)
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