Question about WR screens in Madden 09 - Are they stoppable?

[kardashian]

After playing the ncaa demo and seeing as you can run WR screen flawlessly vs man and zone, and remembering that on Madden 08 people would just start running screens all game because they were damn nearly un-containable. Can someone confirm that WR screens in 09 arent on steroids as they are in ncaa 09 and madden 08? This is really worrying me now..

WR screens should only work vs zone (without flatzones) and loose coverage man... but flatzones and regular man or bump and run man should shut down WR screens or this will be heavily abused.

[kardashian]

bump... the wr screen out of shotgun will ruin ncaa 09.. just try it in the demo vs any coverage.. i hope it doesnt ruin madden 09.

[Ian_Cummings]

Quote: Originally Posted by kardashian

bump... the wr screen out of shotgun will ruin ncaa 09.. just try it in the demo vs any coverage.. i hope it doesnt ruin madden 09.

I can check tomorrow, but in the NCAA thread that you started everyone else pretty much disagreed with you (at least from what I saw). Are you sure it's 100% money? I mean the demo is on varsity...

[kardashian]

I am the biggest lab rat always in practice mode learning the AI on the most used skill settings (all madden & all pro for ranked games). in 08, the wr screens are wayy too money vs man, (zone is a given that it will shred) on ALL PRO & ALL MADDEN.. made no difference of skill settings.

Here is my philosophy... (these all go for HB screens as well)

Things that should stop or atleast disrupt WR Screens 75%+ of the time
regular man defense
BnR man defense
double coverage on that wr
flat zone occasionally

Things that SHOULDNT stop WR screens
loose coverage man (if its a quick pass)
zone with no flat coverage
flat zones occasionally

I just dont want to see it turn out like Madden 08 where you when you start blitzing people they start throwing screens all game and for some odd reason you cant stop it no matter how many people you have manned up on that wr, bump and run, delayed bump, nothing. its ridiculous. there has to be a strategic sure way to stop plays like that or else they are blatant exploits and ruin the chess match in the game causing me to have to memorize all the screen plays and which side the screen wr is, man up like 3 people on the WR and on top of that have to run and manually cover it. It gave me nightmares in 08... this is not just me i know plenty of elite ballers who believe the same thing after playing the ncaa 09 demo.

[kmart2180]

It does not work all the time. It works wonders when it does but it is not money all the time. Sometimes the De's blow it up, sometimes the lb blows it up. Once in a while a db gets through.

I would say you have a 50/50 chance. (it is Varsity level)

I'd be more concerned about the pass completion's % its is through the roof. And if the qb can complete 80%+ on varsity god only knows would it would do on Heisman lol. Hoping the sliders can tone this down.

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by kmart2180

It does not work all the time. It works wonders when it does but it is not money all the time. Sometimes the De's blow it up, sometimes the lb blows it up. Once in a while a db gets through. I would say you have a 50/50 chance. (it is Varsity level) I'd be more concerned about the pass completion's % its is through the roof. And if the qb can complete 80%+ on varsity god only knows would it would do on Heisman lol. Hoping the sliders can tone this down.

QFT - the cpu passing AI being Joe Montana like worries me far more than this play does. I've seen it work but as you say I've also seen it blow up badly.

[kardashian]

The only way man coverage will stop it is IF the corner sheds the blocks. What makes it unrealistic is that there is damn near 3-4 blockers on these WR screens and only 1 guy attempting to make the tackle and all those blockers go and rape that one single CB. in real life a CB would be right there to make the tackle up hugging the WR. thats why non/loose coverage man defense should stop it.

CONCLUSION:

All I ask for is that there is not a single passing concept that will give you an incredibly huge guaranteed chance of gaining even an inch on this game or else it will be heavily exploited at the worst times.

[kmart2180]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

QFT - the cpu passing AI being Joe Montana like worries me far more than this play does. I've seen it work but as you say I've also seen it blow up badly.

Sad thing is Ryan Periloux (sp?) who probably has a 78 accuracy rating is completing 80+ % of his passes on Varsity. I prey that the pass accuracy sliders work cause Ive read break block/pass block does not help the Defense get a good rush.