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Old 10-14-2008, 02:51 PM   #25
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Re: Honestly, Madden 09 the game that's sucked the enthusiasm out of me

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When you think about it, Madden is now argubly pretty much the worst game in the EA Sport games cataloge? Fifa, NHL, and then Live and NCAA to a lesser extent are superior games.
Very sad, but also very true.
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I think they screwed up on the decision not to import the previous gens engine...EA said it HAD to start fresh to take advantage of the PS3/XBOX360 hardware.

Total BS by the way. If anyone played ESPN2k series, and tried ALL-Pro Football for PS3 , its the SAME EXACT ENGINE... In fact, the same Great Replay code is in there too.

So some "Director of Gaming Development" gets appointed the project, (because he did well in the Soccer Videogame market and probably had no Football Development experience whatsoever, tries to direct and develop a team of developers for the Madden Series for Next Gen...

And here we are, yet another year, disappointed. I dont ask much, just give me an NFL licensed game thats realistic, that incorporates the ESPN license, that looks nice, but heres the key, PLAYS well..

2007 and 2008 I felt I had NO control on defense and limited on offense with the whole "you are tied to the animation" feel..
2009 is mildly better, but geez, play the PS2 version and you'll see, Oh yeah, thats here the gameplay is...

If its in the game, its in the PS2 version
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:55 PM   #27
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The lack of atmosphere really hurts in this one and I feel NCAA is much better in that regard. (Fight songs, mascots, etc. probably help a lot in NCAA.) While I like a lot of what they are aiming to do in Madden 09, the games do tend to drag on and I find it tough to get 'sucked in.'

An issue in both Madden and NCAA is (as Dave mentioned) the lack of the CPU teams playing like their real-life counterparts.

While EA has put in a lot of work to get the playbooks pretty accurate in each title, there is nothing making each team call specific plays to match actual team tendencies or player personnel.

Using NCAA as the example, Georgia Tech (for example) should run a huge amount of option football. While the playbook has this in the game, GT will also run quite a few pass plays since they are in the playbook and the game pulls plays based upon down and distance.

In terms of personnel, (using NCAA as the example) if a team that runs the option loses it's starting QB (80+ SPD) and the backup only has 60 SPD, then it should recognize that and either utilize the HB more (less option, more handoffs, iso's, etc.) and maybe more pass plays, should that match the back-up's strengths.

It seems like they have won half of the battle - getting relatively accurate playbooks (not to say they haven't missed some key aspects) - but they haven't gotten the game to call the right plays based on styles and personnel in either NCAA or Madden.

Going back to Dave's post, Live has raised the bar for Madden (and NCAA for that matter) by adding in ways to get cyber-players to play like their real-life counterparts (Dynamic DNA), signature playcalling, and daily roster updates. In NBA Live, I can tell when I am playing a poor or great team. With the adaptive AI in Madden plus the lack of signature plays & styles and lack of atmosphere, every game feels & plays the same to me. The gameplay has some issues fixed as compared to NCAA, but the 'feel' is definitely lacking.
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Going back to Dave's post, Live has raised the bar for Madden (and NCAA for that matter) by adding in ways to get cyber-players to play like their real-life counterparts (Dynamic DNA), signature playcalling, and daily roster updates. In NBA Live, I can tell when I am playing a poor or great team. With the adaptive AI in Madden plus the lack of signature plays & styles and lack of atmosphere, every game feels & plays the same to me. The gameplay has some issues fixed as compared to NCAA, but the 'feel' is definitely lacking.
That's the big thing.
When I play Live, I feel like I'm playing the Lakers, Suns, etc...
When I play Madden, every team feels the same, save for Peyton Manning's 5,000 audibles before calling an HB dive.

Other than all the bugs (way too many to mention), the biggest fix Madden needs is team-specific playcalling and play styles. If they can't program it, give us sliders to do it ourselves ... and Lockers (like Live) while they're at it.

Offensive line blocking desperately needs improvement for the CPU. Shutting down the run game is just too easy in this game, regardless of the level you're playing at.
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When you think about it, Madden is now argubly pretty much the worst game in the EA Sport games cataloge? Fifa, NHL, and then Live and NCAA to a lesser extent are superior games.
There is no argument. Madden, right now, is EA Sports worst game.
1. NHL
2. NBA Live
3. Fifa
4. Tiger Woods
5. NCAA Football
6. Madden

(I actually have more funh with Live than NHL, but the consensus is pretty clear about NHL being EA Sports' best game. I just don't play Fifa enough to have a credible opinion on the game, so I leave it to others)

And when NCAA Basketball 09 comes out, Madden falls to #7. Their college basketball title is gonna surprise many people.
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Look, I am one of the biggest "fans" of EA and Madden, I love the series, but as I said in another thread, the game is flat out boring. Atmosphere is nonexistent. Nothing pulls you into the game.

And as you said Dave and MJ has pointed out, there are way too many quirks and bumps in the road that prevent this game from being enjoyable over time. In my opinion, this is the game we should've gotten in '07, not '09.

I do think the game is making steps in the right direction, unfortunately given whats happened with '06-'08, the game needs to take strides, not steps. Somewhere, Ian/Phil/EA need to make up for 2 "lost" years.
It only took you 2 months!

As much as guys like you raved about Madden and NCAA this year... like I've said previously, it's still the same game as last year underneath all that "glitz" they added this year. The game is flat out boring and tedious to play-through.

They just don't get "it." You need to bring more to the table than minor changes and list them as "one of 85 new enhancements!" to make this a top-tier sports game.

I'll stick to The Show, FIFA, NBA 2k9 and NHL 09 for now.

Don't even get me started on the college game.
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I agree with all of the OP's points. The biggest thing to me however is the game just doesn't represent real football. Its more of a backyard football game to me. While adding chain gangs, refs, and better presentation would be nice, it would in no way make this game playable to me. The game engine is broken. I know the madden guys don't like the term "engine", but I have heard other developers use that term plenty. Really the simplest analogy would be a car's engine. You can take a Ferrari and polish it and make it look beautiful, but if the engine doesn't work then is it really a car in the true sense of the word?

Is madden really a football game? IMO no.
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Re: Honestly, Madden 09 the game that's sucked the enthusiasm out of me

It's pretty interesting to go back now and read the "Producer Blogs" at EA's website from May and June, where they talked about the changes to this year's game to get us all hyped. Even more interesting, I saw this collection of "reviews" from EA's site...sure makes me wonder what game they were playing, and what exactly EA does to get these favorable reviews (almost makes me want to throw up):

"The reviews are here, see what people are saying about Madden NFL 09...

A+ 1UP.com

"...Even with our complaints, this is a football game that one-ups the stakes between the sidelines, and it's so visually impressive that it's likely to stick in your system all season long..." Read full review


5/5 G4TV

"...The new commentating team, Backtrack replays, soundtrack, and improved graphics really packs that extra punch of realism making this game a must buy..." Read full review


9.3/10 XboxAddict

"...The game will satisfy the appetite of both casual and hardcore football fans and its mixes those two worlds together very well..." Read full review


A- Gaming Age

"...Everything from the visuals, audio, and presentation have been bumped up a notch to a level that would make any fan who has turned their heads for the last 3 years take notice..." Read full review


4.5/5 GamePro

"...The controls are tight and responsive, and the overall flow of an NFL contest feels realistic..." Read full review


9/10 Official Xbox Magazine

"... We're happy to report that Madden NFL 09 represents the pinnacle of the modern Madden era..." Read full review


8.8/10 IGN

"...Madden NFL 09 is the most loyal translation of America's favorite sport I've ever seen. It looks great, plays great, and despite its few moments of inaccuracies, is still one of the best sports games in memory..." Read full review


8.8/10 Planet Xbox 360

"...The new features tossed into the game give Madden 09 a bit of everything for everyone who enjoys football..." Read full review"
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