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Old 04-06-2009, 07:56 PM   #17
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Re: Do not set the potential of a player in stone!!!

I agree, setting the potential of a player in stone is dumb, but I guess they can change it during the season. So this just means during the NFL season, I'll have to constantly restart my Franchise, I guess?

Just curious, going into '06, what was Colston's 'hidden potential rating'?
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:56 PM   #18
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potential should only be gauged for the player entering the league because he hasn't played in the NFL before. After that it should be primarily stat driven depending on his role.

ex) A starter would be expected to produce more than a 2nd string...
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:56 PM   #19
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I'm fine with potential ratings being set in stone; however, I'm not fine with those ratings being revealed the user. I don't care if that player is on a team controlled by the user, or not. The draft is a crap shoot. Teams aren't sure about the potential of their draft picks. Potential is a projection of what one's ability is.

If the potential rating is basically going to be a ceiling that the player cannot exceed; they should call it something else and never reveal it to the user, except for maybe when the player retires. The potential rating should still be in the game, but it should only be a projection that could be accurate, or inaccurate; it would also change based on the coaches, and systems.

Revealing a players potential( or rating ceiling) is one the worst ideas that I can think off.

First we had superhuman LBs, DBs and QBs with eyes in the back of their heads; now when they're finally taking out those aspects, they're thinking of replacing them with psychic coaches, brilliant.

If it's not is the game, than for goodness sake, don't put it in the game.
In HC 09, potential was only revealed for rookies if you scouted them heavily (brought them in for individual workouts before the draft) or if you drafted them and kept them on the team until after the preseason.

You couldn't just draft a player and automatically know his potential.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:00 PM   #20
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Well as far as the rookies down the road this season goes, that's what roster updates are for and if you don't want to start your franchise over then that's on you.

And exactly when did James Harrison have a low potential? The fact that he kept getting chances seems to prove your theory wrong. A player who is signed as an undrafted free agent and then get's chance after chance (even sent to NFL Europa) isn't a guy who team's are saying "doesn't have much upside." All of those chances were evidence of his potential that was finally realized in the past 2 seasons.
He never played like a Defensive MVP before did he? If they used pre-set pot. like they plan to a player like him would not have the "upside" to even get to that level of play. He would have 60s in all of his stats because he didnt deserve to have those stats.

Besides you just proved my point sir. You just admited that they would have to change a players pot. to better fix how he is playing IRL. Why should it only be IRL? Why cant it be adpative to how they play in madden like you just said about the roster updates...?
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:01 PM   #21
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Yes and no. What about the players that make a name for themselves after a couple of years down the road this season? Example again is James Harrison.

Also, what if I draft a running back who is solid 80 across the board for his "max potential" on his moves and what naught. That same RB manages to run for 1500 yards 15 td with a 4.5 average. why shouldnt his stats increase some?

I propose that potential be a stat that shows how fast a player can grow. The better they perform and the better their potential the faster we see a superstar out of them. The only thing that should be limited is the physical stats. Exmaples Speed, strenth, acc, throw power, maybe jump ect ect. These should grow some(differeent for each stat) in the early years and thats it.
Yes and no. What about the players that make a name for themselves after a couple of years down the road this season? Example again is James Harrison.

In the game, he would have always had 95 potential but he came into the league with a current ability of 70 and remained at that level until he found the right system, was played consistently and played well at which point he eventually reached his potential...just like real life.

Also, what if I draft a running back who is solid 80 across the board for his "max potential" on his moves and what naught. That same RB manages to run for 1500 yards 15 td with a 4.5 average. why shouldnt his stats increase some?

Well in theory that 80 rated running back wouldn't be able to run for 1500 yards cos he isn't that good... it's still a game and has to have limits....

however players did often exceed their potential levels by 2/3/4 units in HC if they did really well... but they're potential also fell 2/3/4 units if they consistently perfomed poorly or had a number of injuries, ie-
Peterson started with 93 pot in my HC and by 2011 had an 84 pot cos he missed about 20 of 35 games... his pot could rise again if he started performing well again but it was less likely cos his current ability was now an 84.

A players potential is also dependant on the system he plays in... using reggie bush as a power runner would give him a pot of 80 but using him in a west coast/speed/moves HB system would give him a 90 pot- ONE MANS RUBBISH IS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:02 PM   #22
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but potential is set in stone in real life...players either reach it, exceed it, or don't reach it.
Yes, potential is set in stone; however, no one, not even the player in question, knows what his true potential is. The potential rating should be set in stone, but it shouldn't be revealed to the user. The user should get to see the "projected potential" of the player in question. Some teams evaluate talent better than others; depending on the scouts on your team, the projected potential rating would be accurate or inaccurate.

When Tom Brady was playing behind Brian Griese, I doubt he thought that he'd be a future first ballot hall of famer.

Do not reveal the true potential of the player.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:07 PM   #23
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Yes and no. What about the players that make a name for themselves after a couple of years down the road this season? Example again is James Harrison.

In the game, he would have always had 95 potential but he came into the league with a current ability of 70 and remained at that level until he found the right system, was played consistently and played well at which point he eventually reached his potential...just like real life.

Also, what if I draft a running back who is solid 80 across the board for his "max potential" on his moves and what naught. That same RB manages to run for 1500 yards 15 td with a 4.5 average. why shouldnt his stats increase some?

Well in theory that 80 rated running back wouldn't be able to run for 1500 yards cos he isn't that good... it's still a game and has to have limits....

however players did often exceed their potential levels by 2/3/4 units in HC if they did really well... but they're potential also fell 2/3/4 units if they consistently perfomed poorly or had a number of injuries, ie-
Peterson started with 93 pot in my HC and by 2011 had an 84 pot cos he missed about 20 of 35 games... his pot could rise again if he started performing well again but it was less likely cos his current ability was now an 84.

A players potential is also dependant on the system he plays in... using reggie bush as a power runner would give him a pot of 80 but using him in a west coast/speed/moves HB system would give him a 90 pot- ONE MANS RUBBISH IS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE.
You are forgeting that HC rated players differently. Like you stated before they used by system to give you an overall rating. A player would have an overall for size, production,(other stats I forget what) but his overall grade would be mixed with whatever stat that system calls for and production. You could have a great producing back look great in moves back system even though he had back juke and spin move.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:08 PM   #24
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Yes, potential is set in stone; however, no one, not even the player in question, knows what his true potential is. The potential rating should be set in stone, but it shouldn't be revealed to the user. The user should get to see the "projected potential" of the player in question. Some teams evaluate talent better than others; depending on the scouts on your team, the projected potential rating would be accurate or inaccurate.

When Tom Brady was playing behind Brian Griese, I doubt he thought that he'd be a future first ballot hall of famer.

Do not reveal the true potential of the player.
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