Make it IMPOSSIBLE To Get a 97 SPD DB Playing DE

[deloz]

This has become the cheap new thing to do on defense. You come out in the dollar formation. but use the "quarter" package. Using this package puts your starting SS as your MLB.

What people are doing is putting their fastest DB as their starting SS, then audibling down from dollar to a formation with 4 down linemen. This puts the MLB as the DE(but the MLB is actually a super fast DB). Then they spend the entire game manually rushing off the edge with the DB and dropping 8-9 guys into coverage.

Just the newest tactic in the long line of gutless cheap things like this. There has to be a way to make this impossible and I hope Madden 10 does it...PLEASE!!

[kwpit79]

Quote: Originally Posted by deloz

This has become the cheap new thing to do on defense. You come out in the dollar formation. but use the "quarter" package. Using this package puts your starting SS as your MLB. What people are doing is putting their fastest DB as their starting SS, then audibling down from dollar to a formation with 4 down linemen. This puts the MLB as the DE(but the MLB is actually a super fast DB). Then they spend the entire game manually rushing off the edge with the DB and dropping 8-9 guys into coverage. Just the newest tactic in the long line of gutless cheap things like this. There has to be a way to make this impossible and I hope Madden 10 does it...PLEASE!!

If pass block ratings do as they should a MLB playing DE will get absolutely pummeled by an OT.

[Bullrunner]

Also try to get a HB or FB to block the Db's once they come off the edge

[PGaither84]

No, fix Line interactions. Linemen should just pancake the $hit out of this guy. It's a cheep tactic because of probelms with madden, not the problem that a DB is blitzing. What is the difference of callinga CB blitz and hot routing a DE into zone [like the pros really do] and just manually bltizing off the edge [even creeping up on the o-line] and what they are doing?

When the game is made right, and the interactions are right, it will stop. A problem in 08 was people would call 3 downlinemen sets with a MLB blitzing and pinch and crash the D-line. This way you had 4 players [3line and MLB] facing both guards and the center. A 4 on 3 matchup means the D should win, right? In Madden 08 it does. in real life, and in Madden 09 you just call slide protect in and now all 5 linemen pinch and it is really 5 on 4 and the O-line should win. Funny how players who did this in 08 and called it "realistic" and "tactical" don't do it in 09 huh? The first few weeks the game came out I would listen to those cheesers cry and complain it wasn't working.

This example is no different.

[Hotlanta]

Quote: Originally Posted by kwpit79

If pass block ratings do as they should a MLB playing DE will get absolutely pummeled by an OT.

Then I hope a DB would get laid flat on his ***. This is where I put my faith in ratings really meaning something in this Madden.

[probowlsteelerfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by deloz

This has become the cheap new thing to do on defense. You come out in the dollar formation. but use the "quarter" package. Using this package puts your starting SS as your MLB. What people are doing is putting their fastest DB as their starting SS, then audibling down from dollar to a formation with 4 down linemen. This puts the MLB as the DE(but the MLB is actually a super fast DB). Then they spend the entire game manually rushing off the edge with the DB and dropping 8-9 guys into coverage. Just the newest tactic in the long line of gutless cheap things like this. There has to be a way to make this impossible and I hope Madden 10 does it...PLEASE!!

LoL, I'm getting a big kick out of these cheater "chessy" threads. My brothers and I play Maden and NCAA leagues seemingly every time we get the new games. We hold ourselves and our buddies accountable to acceptable league play.

The fact that Madden allows such a thing is ridiculous. I understand the simple thing of pushing a button to substitute a MLB for a DB. The fact that someone even does this to get the advantage of rushing the edge is hilarious.

Madden shouldn't allow MLB's and DB's to be substituted for one another. Two totally different positions.

You want more DB's on the field, call a nickel or dime package. Don't do it to cheat someone.

Instead of applying more ratings to the line blocking just don't allow these substitutions. Like I said before, you want more db's on the field call a nickel or dime. I do like the pancake ideas though. A DB would get pummeled 100% of the time.

While I'm at it. Make a game where the DE's actually push a true looking pocket off the edges. Make the game more realistic. More double teams if the defense is bring a weak rush. If delaying a blitz make it where a lineman disengages from his double team block to try and pick up a delaying blitz. Not saying he has to get there in time but make it more surreal.

[deloz]

I think a couple of you guys get what Im saying, but its NOT a MLB rushing off the edge. It's a 95+ speed CORNERBACK that they will just loop around the tackle the entire game. Using an extra blocker like a TE or WR can help, but this has become the cheap new thing to do this year. Just manually blitz with this super fast guy and drop 8-9 guys in covergae. Not all of them are that way, but MOST of those tourney guys will do ANYTHING to get out of having to think tactically during a game.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by deloz

I think a couple of you guys get what Im saying, but its NOT a MLB rushing off the edge. It's a 95+ speed CORNERBACK that they will just loop around the tackle the entire game. Using an extra blocker like a TE or WR can help, but this has become the cheap new thing to do this year. Just manually blitz with this super fast guy and drop 8-9 guys in covergae. Not all of them are that way, but MOST of those tourney guys will do ANYTHING to get out of having to think tactically during a game.

I get what you are saying as far as them rushing with a guy who has 95 speed. The key is not limiting players movement though, otherwise they will just change the players position or blitz corners and hotroute the DEs back into coverage or find some other way around this. The key is actually fixing the problem of a CB being able to come off the edge not just because of his ratings but in spite of some ratings.

First off we need to get past the idea the these OTs are all just lumbering hulks who can't move. Sure, their 40 times are not great but if you look at just the 10 yard split they aren't that bad. This needs to be represented in their acceleration ratings as well as acceleration being properly implemented.

Second, pass block footwork. This is an excelent opportunity for this rating to be brought into play. With proper footwork and angles taken that OT will have much fewer steps to take and much less distance to cover to stop the corner than that corner will have to get around him. Also this footwork could be used to help the OL keep their position in front of the corner as he tries to get around the end or cut back into the middle.

Third, the OL needs measurments for arm length. This is important in getting hands on and therefor staying ahead of quicker rushers.

Fourth, this corner is playing DE in a four man front. If the OL AI is fixed that should be the first place the tackle will look for who to block.

Fifth, the previous things should almost always stop the corner from making it in untouched, especially from the DE spot where he is the first guy the tackle will look to block. Any time the tackle gets ahold of the corner he should be on his a$$ no questions asked. He is giving up probably over 100 pounds in the matchup plus the pass block strength vs. pass rush moves, strength vs. strength, and other ratings should pretty well garuntee that corner loses every time.

sixth, if this guy is sending 8 or 9 into coverage that leaves 2 or 3 to be blocked by 5. That means the other rushers should all be able to double teamed. This basically means your QB should have about forever to throw the ball and eventually the WRs should get open.